Team Game #2 - OCC Conquest only

[Pangaea]

I have too little experience here, would we be guaranteed that she vassals if we make peace with Hatshy? (who says we are doing fine on our own)

Don't have much experience with all the unusual messages either, but I'm pretty sure she won't cap. It is probably just that this particular reasoning is higher in the list than "We're doing fine on our own". Kind of like with "We have our reasons" and whatever the other options are. If she were to cap to us now, she'd be at war with Hattie, so it sort of makes sense.
edit: think "We have our reasons" is below "you are too advanced". Or maybe it was "don't want to trade this yet".

I've never played a game like this before so don't know, but I would think we need to get off the bottom of the scoreboard before we can cap anybody?

Nice that she broke free though. I wondered how long that would take. The plan or hope I had in my head was that we could manage to cap Hattie when she's broken, and then hopefully cap Cathy too before she makes a colony of those islands (if she can?). Hmm, maybe she can't. Are all on one-city islands? Think there must be at least 2 per island for a colony to be possible.

Anyhow, that's part of the reason I didn't try to invade her, and put all my focus on smacking Hattie around.

Have you played games like this before? Do we need to get an AI down to one city before being able to cap them? After the first vassal, their additional land (and power) should make it easier going forward I would think. But that first one is probably dang hard.

 

[krikav]

I would assume that there is also some sort of strategy that involves letting the vassals settle the land that you leave empty after city razing too..?
Did Cathy peace-vassal to Hatty earlier, have not read the entire history.

I think I would be worried about someone else being drawn into the war by her peace vassaling to someone else.

 

[Pangaea]

Cathy capped the normal way earlier. In-game we can see percentages for land and such, which isn't present for peace vassals. Once free, it's possible she will peace vassal to somebody though, if relations allow it, which could spell more war.

Heck, aren't defensive pacts available too now?

 

[Fippy]

I tried with Hatshy cease fire & killing all Cathy mini stack units, we are doing fine on our own still
Was worth a try, i have played similar games before and iirc it's all about power. Cathy was weakest.

Not that important thou, making peace with Cathy and continuing on Hatshy.
Diplo situation, she will not peace vassal i guess ~~

Spoiler :

 

[Fippy]

Played until the destruction of Lisbon & Lagos,
pics gallery:

Spoiler :

Pic 1: Cathy vassal try, with re-declare on Hatshy on the same turn. Moving some injured horsies + 1 Rifle for protection back, with the idea of forming a new 3rd stack
I built 3 cannons for them while healing.

Pic 3: Globe started with 2 chops, 2t looked nice and i was happy with having another stack formed so we could afford a short unit break.
Nice re-settle from Hatshy, bad luck that our new army was heading this way ~~

Pic 4: 1 cannon loss at Lisbon, that Muskie had CG2 + Hill 2. Amazing how we had only 39% with a CR3 cannon after city defenses were at 0.

Railroad i figured would be our next best pick, fast movement for units later is really important here imo.
Re-newed peace with Sury by begging gold, felt like something good even if he's friendly.
Genghis remains the main treat for peace vassaling Hatshy.

 

[Pangaea]

Thank you for playing and doing really well. Right now I mostly feel like quitting the site and disappearing again. Nothing to do with you ofc. This has been a fun game. Lots of other stuff here is not.

 

[krikav]

I would miss you Pangea!

 

[Fippy]

You know i would miss you, ofc..will continue later, maybe the game can deliver some fun.

 

[Fippy]

On second thought i will pause for today, maybe you feel like adding something later.

 

[Fippy]

I was going to say quiet game, Hatshy's resistance broken but she would not cap yet..

Spoiler :

..we pay for our attack on Genghis i guess Was no way of getting him pleased again.

She had only 3 cities left at this point, and 1 after i razed 2 more (1 cannon lost against hill city at ~85%)

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Sadly i have no more Cavs in range, or we could remove her this turn. Was planning for vassal instead.

Genghis has not many units coming atm, not prepared for war.
I was stocking up cannons in Madrid, so we can finally cancel Iron and trade for Eco soon.

Spoiler :

Leaning towards some more cannons, as our horsies are free to move home now.
But have to check the situation before deciding.
Techs & military:

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[obsolete]

About the message regarding YOUR ENEMIES...

I have noticed in OCC that it is far more often than not a bogus message.

As a side-note, quite often once you vassal someone in OCC, your vassals tend to not build any settlers anymore. They will in a small % of games, but more often than not they seem to not be capable of this for some reason.

 

[Fippy]

Okay Obsolete,
so i played on a bit and before Hatshy said byeybe let's look at how much she likes us:

Spoiler :

-55 not bad

Genghis moves a stack towards Madrid, while we move our guys back home:

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While we have enuf units and it's not really dangerous, i would be very interested in opinions how this could be best done
Also he has RP now, and with Rifling this will turn into grinding i guess.
Brennus does have Rifling already, but we are on good terms with him for now and have a new peace deal.

 

[jatamixx]

I'd like to know the spanish army numbers plx

 

[Fippy]

Sure, we have
7 Rifles
17 Cannons
23 Cavs
6 Conqs (we should upgrade all now)

 

[Fippy]

Maybe we need an energy boost here, who wants to fight like pirates?
For Glory and Madrid.
We have no ships, but we have cannons.

 

[drewisfat]

OK here's what you do. You want to immediately intercept their forces on the edge of your territory with all of your cavalry. Just your cavalry. Ideally, send a great prophet along for the flaming weapons ability, but otherwise don't commit any other support. Retreat the rest of your infantry inside the castle where it's safe. Try to fire one volley with your siege, but otherwise just abandon them between the city and the enemy. Siege is pretty useless but it might slow them down. I see you've got a couple of explorers - that's key. Your priority is keeping them safe. Don't be afraid to sacrifice high exp units in this pursuit. It just takes one well timed stab from your explorer to win the war instantly.

 

[Fippy]

..but where are my dragons? (Skyships or Bombers?)
The Mongols are already here

 

[drewisfat]

Oh...... I assumed you had dragons cuz I see all the ruined cities. IDK how it's possible to win an occ on deity without dragons.

 

[Fippy]

Well it's not like we were slacking, while finishing Hatshy
She was Ragnar with plenty units.

I would make an argument for Machine Guns also being great, with strong defense in our stacks we can move our super cannons close to cities easier.
AL had the problem of needing more techs before, obsoleting our citadel too while RR was available instantly.

Actually i was playing around with the thought of letting Genghis suicide on Madrid and ignoring his stack, while moving our offensive forces out to raze cities.
I cannot see him doing much damage against fortified Rifles in a hill city, with Cuirs & old stuff.
We can flank his siege out with some Cavs too.

 

[Fippy]

Time to continue, sadly without Pangaea for now.
I used my plan of letting Genghis "siege" Madrid with his 2 Trebs, will take him forever and his stack stands there
First some pics:

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Soo i also decided cancelling Iron now, hopefully we have enuf cannons moving west.
We can build c4 Cavs for now, really nice and they can pass his stack easily and help with the attack.
Also did 1t Observatory (trade for Astro made with Stalin), i think we want those beakers long term.

Our moving units are avoiding the range of his Cuirs (2 tiles).
3 Airships in Portland, attacking Rifles in Madrid (who heal anyways lol), better than our moving stack imo.
We could have attacked that city, but it's on a hill and i prefer using Brennus territory so we can finally make quicker progress at his core cities.

Surey declared on Stalin, could get ugly..will have to monitor if we should / can buy him off.
What else, hmm..cannot think of much, other than i plan equipping Madrid with ~2 MGs too when RR finishes.
We have to succeed in really damaging Genghis core now, avoiding distractions.