Terminal Velocity: The Moonage Daydream

[Tyo]

To refer to anything resembling to the UN as a failure is the call the idea of human cooperation a failure. If an organization in which the world can treat as a politically neutral zone where the world gathers its resources in protection of human rights and world stability is not created in any capacity, there is nothing stopping strong countries from exploiting weak countries. Nothing stopping another huge outbreak of war. Nobody wants to repeat the mistakes of the past, but this is why such an international forum is neccessary. The world cannot be allowed to revert to the days of Imperialism. The next series of global conflicts are sure to eclipse the summed total of the previous conflicts if this allowed as our means to kill eachother eclipse our means to protect peace.

That said, we should not rely on the model of old. Just as the United Nations fared better than its predecessor, we can create an institution that will fare better than the United Nations.

The EU proposes that we do one of two things. Either a rotating system, drawing on a number of countries from each continent proportional to how many countries are on each continent, which create the term's security council. I still fear problems with this, so here is our other proposal: a global representational system. Representatives can be chosen from groups of countries. The groups can be based on a minimum population. This ensures, more than other proposed systems, that most of the population has representation.

I furthermore propose that this council appoint which countries are obligated to uphold international law. This way, the people directly deciding international law are not the ones enforcing it, diminishing the possibility that this can still be abused by economically powerful countries and instead ensures that those countries will be the ones to legitimately hold up international law.

It is not a perfect idea, but I believe it is the path we should go along in order to ensure that the mistakes older than the United Nations do not come back to sow the seeds of further distruction.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

Canada strongly believes that an international body is integral in the maintenance of peace and prosperity, providing a venue for grievances to be aired and discussed.

The failure of the former UN falls towards it's inability to respond to the shifting geo-political status of the world, the security council thereof unable or unwilling to act in the best interests of global peace. Canada proposes that moderation and governance of any such international body be chosen via election by all members of the body.

While we agree with Argentina that the UN's failure was apparent long before it's collapse, we believe that those failings rest primarily in the lack of actual power it could wield. As such, we propose that this new body be permitted to act with word and with force, with the power to impose sanctions and respond with it's own military force.

 

[Masada]

DECREE

WE THE PRESIDENT OF THE ALLIANCE OF SOUTHEAST ASIAN STATES/SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE UNIFIED ARMED FORCES

Hereby declare with respect:

That the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea is null and void with respect to transit and passage through or into the waters of the Alliance of Southeast Asian States.

That the waters of the Alliance of Southeast Asian States are hereby closed to all uninvited military traffic.

That any military traffic entering into the waters of the Alliance of Southeast Asian States will be treated as hostile.

That the Alliance of Southeast Asian States claims as sovereign waters all territories formerly claimed as Exclusive Economic Zones and announces that it intends to make further forthcoming claims.

That the Alliance of Southeast Asian States guarentees the present treaties and such other obligations underpinning the current status of the Antartic Territories.

That the Alliance of Southeast Asian States reserves the absolute right to launch first strike attacks against military traffic which poses a credible threat to the peace.

Resolved in Jakarta
on July 5th, 2045

In the name of the Citizens of the Alliance of Southeast Asian States

President of the Alliance/Supreme Commander of the Unified Armed Forces

NANUAM

***

ASEAN members are sovereign states and are not bound to accept the decisions of ASEAN in foreign policy matters.

 

[gay_Aleks]

International law and order and rotating systems - all fine and nice things.

But when the bombs start falling, when planes swoop down and the nations of the world are waging war for (what-ever reasons, usually good old human greed), all that perishes. You have a membership in the UN? And the Security Council? Will it matter when your enemy is marching in your capital? Nuclear weapons, oddly enough, are very good for clearing any sort of diplomatic discourse like "let's not kill each other so much"

 

[Tyo]

If an international body with a capacity to stop such conflict does not exist, this very scenerio is guarunteed to happen. In the end, if you want to avoid these very wars and stuggles for power, there is only one reasonable solution we can work towards. Raving like a madman about the end of days is not this solution.

 

[Masada]

Who else wants to join team "lets bomb south america to prove we need a UN?"

CHINA UR COO WITH THIS AMIRITE.

 

[gay_Aleks]

<fired>

 

[Decamper]

India echoes the sentiments of Canada and EU. There must be a successor to the UN to facilitate global cooperation, there are simply too many threats states face in this century to rely solely on individual might.

While representation based on population in a global parliament would be very much in India's (and other high population states') favour, it is important that the voices of smaller states are not overwhelmed. A single representative per state, a la the UN General Assembly, at least gives some power to the small states.

India agrees with Canada that any UN-successor must have more muscle than its predecessors. Laws are useless without anyone to enforce them, and the failure of the UN shows how well leaving states to regulate themselves worked.

India does not believe that the security council should be reinstated. Instead, it may be time to entertain the idea of a *whatever-UN-successor* standing army, made up of troops and resources tied directly to organisation itself, outside of the command of their parent states.

 

[Traveller76]

We in the United States propose the following:

A new Community of Nations composed of a unicameral legislative body with each country receiving two representatives with an additional representative for every twenty million citizen. There is no Security Council and all can vote on any issue. A Secretary General shall be elected from the Congress by majority vote.

The Community would handle disputes, resources and laws regarding open spaces such as Antarctica, the Arctic, Oceans outside 200 Nautical miles and Space. This would be to preserve the environment and our common heritage.

If a proposal is passed by the legislature by a majority then all members will be asked to provide support for police and armed forces whether personnel, supplies or funds.

Courts to handle disputes would be established with judges and attorneys selected from the worldwide community.

Bozena Terranova, Secretary of State, United States of America

 

[tobiisagoodboy]

Ghana agrees to Indias Idea, there needs to be an international organisation with muscles.

 

[Masada]

ASEAN would refuse to join any successor to the UN with a military and would consider it to be a grave threat to the peace. ASEAN is frankly more than confident it can manage its own regional security threats on its own.

 

[Decamper]

India agrees with and supports the proposal by the USA, with exception of:

If a proposal is passed by the legislature by a majority then all members will be asked to provide support for police and armed forces whether personnel, supplies or funds.

This will recreate one of UN's largest flaws, in that the organisation does not control its own resources or personnel. States inevitably do what benefits their own interests, and any donated resources or security personnel will usually be handed over reluctantly, and always with the organisation's interests second to the state's.

India once again proposes that this Community be given its own resources with which to train its own security forces, unrestrained by state military commands.

OOC: in effect, have the Community be an NPC, complete with its own stats, doctrine and divisions (maybe even territory), that gets its income from states.

 

[Seon]

UK is actually somewhat reluctant to join a UN successor with a standing army superior to national ones. There should, however, be a way to induce member states to support Resolutions.

 

[gay_Aleks]

We might be open to joining an UN in the way UK/Canada described it but we're completely and vehemently opposed to the UN having a standing army or pilling up its own resources.

 

[Civ'ed]

If we wanted a UN with standing army and own economy, we need only colonize pluto to hide it away from sight forever.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

To not be a paper tiger, to not repeat the failures of the past, this new Commonwealth of Nations must by necessity have a military presence.

Canada commits itself to donating equipment, advisors, funds, and land to house and train this armed force. Canada holds world peace above petty national interests, and hopes other states do as well.

Canada additionally echoes India's statements regarding the united state's proposal.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Yes, replace the failures of the past by making some of your own. In the end, those past people didn't go far enough in screwing up.

 

[Immaculate]

I don't mind, so long as you bomb Venezuela/Colombia, which aren't our friends.

Its assumed comments like these are made in character. Your economic advisors warn you that this sort of rhetoric, repeated in the nooiome, can have destabilizing effects upon the national and global markets.

EDIT: Traders are a jittery bunch at the best of times. Don't give them a reason to panic.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Apologies. This message was sent by a now-former ambassador of ours. We'd like to apologise to the nations of Venezuela and Colombia.

 

[Civ'ed]

What if this new, armed UN decides it tires of one of its lesser members? What if the UN decides to rid the world of nations all together and remove everyone from power?