"Terrorist attack" thwarted in NYC

[Goodfella]

You mean he duped his dad into spending his life's savings to send him to the US to receive an education while actually plotting all the time to bring jihad to the infidels?

Yeah, what's so hard to believe about that?

 

[MobBoss]

Or maybe the kid realized he couldnt cut it here in the USA either, and rather tell his family that they had wasted all their money on him, he wanted to become a martyr instead....

 

[civver_764]

But i'm not surprised in the least that you come away from this thinking the FBI are the bad guys in all this. Not surprised at all.

They've ruined a lot more lives than this guy ever will.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Or maybe the kid realized he couldnt cut it here in the USA either, and rather tell his family that they had wasted all their money on him, he wanted to become a martyr instead....

Mobboss how can you forget the Obama angle ?
Obamas constant apologies and weakness has enabled, enboldened and encouraged terrorist attacks. Plus with the bad economy more and more people are turning into terrorist to make end meet. /tin foil hat

 

[Souron]

Seems like a clear cut case of attempted terrorism to me. Good thing the FBI was giving him the weapons, not someone else who would provide him with something dangerous. Or maybe he would otherwise be doing something else that endangers the US public.

 

[MobBoss]

They've ruined a lot more lives than this guy ever will.

Please. Cry me a river. The FBI has also stopped a lot of people intent on killing large numbers of people from doing that as well. Put on your big boy pants and reallize that they provide a necessary thing our nation needs.

 

[cardgame]

Just think if the FBI targeted and entrapped JDL members in the US in a similar manner.

Why would the FBI arrest the Justice Defense League?

 

[ParkCungHee]

Put on your big boy pants and reallize that they provide a necessary thing our nation needs.

If they provide something which is neccesary, how did the United States exist prior to 1908?

 

[MobBoss]

If they provide something which is neccesary, how did the United States exist prior to 1908?

Your point is moronic. The roots of the FBI go back even unto the revolutionary war with George Washington commenting on a need for intelligence and secrecy and even petitioned congress in 1790 for intelligence operations akin to what the FBI does today (it was known as the Secret Service fund).

Just because the FBI (in its initial form) was begun in 1908 doesnt mean our nation hasnt had people doing such work prior to that.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Your point is moronic. The roots of the FBI go back even unto the revolutionary war with George Washington commenting on a need for intelligence and secrecy and even petitioned congress in 1790 for intelligence operations akin to what the FBI does today (it was known as the Secret Service fund).

I notice that if George Washington petitioned congress for such a fund, and congress was in a petition to provide it, it was not strictly necessary.

 

[Yeekim]

At the same time, the FBI has no right to try to get you to break the law and then lock you up for it.

And I'm not surprised that you apparently find nothing morally repugnant about stings where much of the time the informant is the actual perpetrator of the crime. "Not surprised at all."

What you both seem to miss is that the guy was charged with attempt of mass murder. And he was guilty of an attempt the very moment he asked the agent to sell him explosives.

Everything that followed was simply gathering evidence to make that provable to the court. FBI didn't help him commit any additional crimes beyond what he was already guilty of when he contacted them.

EDIT: Say, Form, what, in your opinion, would be the correct behavior of an intelligence agent or a police officer who is contacted by a wannabe terrorist intending to blow something up?

 

[MobBoss]

I notice that if George Washington petitioned congress for such a fund, and congress was in a petition to provide it, it was not strictly necessary.

Semantics. I'm positive that the argument could be made that the country might not even exist (or at the very least exist in its present form) without such organizations helping safeguard our homeland.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Of course it wouldn't exist in it's present form without intelligence gathering services. It wouldn't exist in it's present form without my posts either.

 

[MobBoss]

Of course it wouldn't exist in it's present form without intelligence gathering services. It wouldn't exist in it's present form without my posts either.

You think too much of yourself.

 

[ParkCungHee]

You think too much of yourself.

Would people in America be able to access my posts if my posts didn't exist?

 

[Bamspeedy]

EDIT: Say, Form, what, in your opinion, would be the correct behavior of an intelligence agent or a police officer who is contacted by a wannabe terrorist intending to blow something up?

That was answered earlier. Slap them with a wet noodle and send them on their way. No, seriously it is thought we should just follow them until they contact a real terrorist and then bust them both.

Imagine this scenario.......The FBI is following Suspect A as he gets on United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston to LA. Perhaps the suspect is going to be meeting with a real terrorist in LA.....

 

[DinoDoc]

You mean he duped his dad into spending his life's savings to send him to the US to receive an education while actually plotting all the time to bring jihad to the infidels?

Would this be shocking to you?

 

[Formaldehyde]

What you both seem to miss is that the guy was charged with attempt of mass murder. And he was guilty of an attempt the very moment he asked the agent to sell him explosives.

Everything that followed was simply gathering evidence to make that provable to the court. FBI didn't help him commit any additional crimes beyond what he was already guilty of when he contacted them.

EDIT: Say, Form, what, in your opinion, would be the correct behavior of an intelligence agent or a police officer who is contacted by a wannabe terrorist intending to blow something up?

What you "seem to miss" is that the informant is frequently the one who provides the target and the entire plan. Granted, the proper response would be for the person to go to the authorities instead of going along with it. But I contend that most of these people would have never committed any violent act if they weren't prodded into doing so.

In many of the cases, the informant is wired. Why don't we ever hear or see transcripts of the actual conversations?

Would this be shocking to you?

Would it be "shocking" if you provide proof to support your sheer speculation? VRWCAgent stated it as fact that he came to the US to kill people while it appears that he came here as a student.

 

[DinoDoc]

I'm not the one speculating here, Form. That would be you.

 

[Yeekim]

That was answered earlier. Slap them with a wet noodle and send them on their way. No, seriously it is thought we should just follow them until they contact a real terrorist and then bust them both.

Imagine this scenario.......The FBI is following Suspect A as he gets on United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston to LA. Perhaps the suspect is going to be meeting with a real terrorist in LA.....

Apparently, one isn't a "real enough" terrorist unless one has already blown something up successfully.

Anyway, FBI following innocent people, who've never been charged with any crimes? What are you advocating, a police state? /sarcasm

What you "seem to miss" is that the informant is frequently the one who provides the target and the entire plan. Granted, the proper response would be for the person to go to the authorities instead of going along with it. But I contend that most of these people would have never committed any violent act if they weren't prodded into doing so.

In many of the cases, the informant is wired. Why don't we ever hear or see transcripts of the actual conversations?

If you've never heard the transcripts, how do you know that "the informant is frequently the one who provides the target and the entire plan"?
Even if that were true, if someone can be "prodded" into committing mass murder, you can't seriously believe that such a guy would otherwise never have hurt a fly. There is no telling what could have inspired him. Amateur youtube video, anyone?