Texas Teacher Gets 5 Years For Sex With 18-Year-Old Jocks

[Zack]

I don't know if it warrants jailtime, but the thought of a high school teacher having group sex with four (!) students is disturbing.

 

[Disgustipated]

Am I the only one turned on by this news story?

Damn, why couldn't this have happened to me in my high school years.

Let's face it, there is a double standard. Imagine a male high school teacher having group sex with several female students. 5 years wouldn't be enough.

 

[Flying Pig]

She still slept with her students though. But five years for that? They were high school seniors, 18 years old. The only reason I think this should be illegal is the possibility of, perhaps, using her power as a teacher into forcing them into stuff. The fact that this is possible should illegalize the relationship. But I think five years behind bars is an incredibly high price for a nonviolent offense.

Think through exactly what it means to be barred from a relationship with somebody because of the privelage of your position. It means that the junior partner in the relationship cannot give consent in a satisfactory way - in other words, to have sex with your students under any circumstances is not far removed from rape. It's comparable to getting somebody blind-drunk and getting them to have sex, if you like; the fact that they say 'yes' doesn't mean much in practice, or in law.

 

[civver_764]

The issue here is a breach of trust.

I'm not following. What does this have to do with trust. The students wanted it, the teacher wanted it.

students are hugely open to influence by their teachers,

I'm 18 years old and I can tell you that I would never have sex with a female teacher unless I really wanted to.

and it is an abuse of your position if you are in a privilaged position with young people to have any sort of relationship with them beyond the professional. I work with children and young people myself, and I would say that what she did was the ultimate in bad conduct; if anything, she got off lightly.

If she had somehow coerced them into doing it(by offering them better grades or something, or treating them badly if didn't comply) then I could see your point, but in this case the whole school side of things seems to be irrelevant.

I don't know if it warrants jailtime, but the thought of a high school teacher having group sex with four (!) students is disturbing.

Whether or not you find it disturbing doesn't really matter, as you aren't involved.

I just don't see the need to control and pass judgement on consensual relationships between other adults.

 

[Disgustipated]

I'm not following. What does this have to do with trust. The students wanted it, the teacher wanted it.

I'm 18 years old and I can tell you that I would never have sex with a female teacher unless I really wanted to.

If she had somehow coerced them into doing it(by offering them better grades or something, or treating them badly if didn't comply) then I could see your point, but in this case the whole school side of things seems to be irrelevant.

Whether or not you find it disturbing doesn't really matter, as you aren't involved.

I just don't see the need to control and pass judgement on consensual relationships between other adults.

Would you be okay with it if it were a male teacher with 5 female students?

 

[civver_764]

28 year old guys have sex with 18 year old girls all the time.

 

[Patroklos]

Useless, let's say one of those 18 year olds made valedictorian. The A from that teachers class put him over the mark.

Is the problem dawning on you (other than the obvious inability to consent problem).

 

[Formaldehyde]

You have an interesting way of reading posts.

Many people have noticed, and commented on, this particular "characteristic".

Well, that in that testimony he just confessed of comitting adultery which is still a chargeable offense under the UCMJ. I wouldnt be surprised if he is an active duty soldier for this to result in charges against him as well.

We all know how often that particular statute isn't enforced except in certain rare cases. Such cases include when it involves the CO's own wife, or it becomes so widely known and damaging to the image of the military it can't possibly be ignored. It is so selective and arbitrary it is nothing but rank hypocrisy.

And that doesnt make it right.

Fortunately, many, if not most, adults aren't nearly so judgmental of quite common "sins". That many spouses have such relationships when their husband or wife is deployed overseas for extended periods of time.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Am I the only one turned on by this news story?

Damn, why couldn't this have happened to me in my high school years.

Let's face it, there is a double standard. Imagine a male high school teacher having group sex with several female students. 5 years wouldn't be enough.

If the students were 18, I'd be saying the same thing.

Think through exactly what it means to be barred from a relationship with somebody because of the privelage of your position. It means that the junior partner in the relationship cannot give consent in a satisfactory way - in other words, to have sex with your students under any circumstances is not far removed from rape. It's comparable to getting somebody blind-drunk and getting them to have sex, if you like; the fact that they say 'yes' doesn't mean much in practice, or in law.

I don't know that that's automatically true. The high possibility of it being true is why I don't want it being tolerated in the first place. But I think there's certainly a possibility that in this given circumstance, that MIGHT not have been true.

Even still, its not worth it...

If she had somehow coerced them into doing it(by offering them better grades or something, or treating them badly if didn't comply) then I could see your point, but in this case the whole school side of things seems to be irrelevant.

The extremely high possibility of this alone makes it a dangerous situation, and one that should not be tacitly accepted.

Five years based on the possibility? No, I don't agree with that. But it shouldn't be legal.

 

[Cynovolans]

This is a lot more serious than teacher-student relationships, she broke the (age/2) + 7 rule. Society's most sacred institution! Five years is just not enough.

 

[Flying Pig]

I don't know that that's automatically true. The high possibility of it being true is why I don't want it being tolerated in the first place. But I think there's certainly a possibility that in this given circumstance, that MIGHT not have been true.

You get into that position by having authority over people. It's a cliché that power's sexy, but people react differently to authority figures than they do to ordinary people. That's why it's incredibly bad form to sleep up or down any chain of command, but with young people it's especially atrocious.

 

[MobBoss]

Let's face it, there is a double standard. Imagine a male high school teacher having group sex with several female students. 5 years wouldn't be enough.

Now this is the absolute truth. If this had been a guy he would have gotten 20 years in jail and everyone would say its appropriate.

Fortunately, many, if not most, adults aren't nearly so judgmental of quite common "sins". That many spouses have such relationships when their husband or wife is deployed overseas for extended periods of time.

And thats STILL doesnt make it right.

If people were a bit more judgmental of this sort of thing maybe it wouldnt happen so much...

 

[GhostWriter16]

Would you be okay with it if it were a male teacher with 5 female students?

With him it certainly would. I know him well enough to know he wouldn't dare make the distinction.

To me its still legally the same, if its consensual, but for some reason I feel like it would be more likely to not be cosensual in that case. That wouldn't affect my legal opinion though (Which is still that it should be illegal)

Useless, let's say one of those 18 year olds made valedictorian. The A from that teachers class put him over the mark.

Is the problem dawning on you (other than the obvious inability to consent problem).

Wait, where did Useless post in this thread?

 

[civver_764]

Useless, let's say one of those 18 year olds made valedictorian. The A from that teachers class put him over the mark.

Is the problem dawning on you (other than the obvious inability to consent problem).

I'm not saying that a relationship between a student and teacher is never coercive, just that it doesn't have to be and should be dealt with on a case by case basis.

Our culture takes sex too seriously. At its core it's just a physical act.

 

[Formaldehyde]

And thats STILL doesnt make it right.

If people were a bit more judgmental of this sort of thing maybe it wouldnt happen so much...

Whatever happened to "hate the sin but forgive the sinner"?

Most adults simply don't care about the private affairs of others adults. I think this is a very good thing. YMOV.

 

[Truronian]

The issue here is a breach of trust. Consenting adults or not, students are hugely open to influence by their teachers, and it is an abuse of your position if you are in a privilaged position with young people to have any sort of relationship with them beyond the professional.

Flying Pig got it spot on. We need students to be easily influenced by teachers; it's how learning works. This means teachers have a duty to not misuse that influence as this woman has clearly done.

Prison seems to be an odd choice of punishment here, I would of thought community service would make more sense.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I bet there would be a lot of groups and individuals who would be more than happy to provide such opportunities.

 

[MobBoss]

Whatever happened to "hate the sin but forgive the sinner"?

Are you seriously unable to separate judgment of criminal action and judgment of a persons soul? I mean i've only mentioned this hundreds of times around here and yet you try to fling this in my face?

Even with forgiveness, there are ramifications of ones actions.

Form, I feel sorry for you. Really sorry for you if you feel you have to do this for some reason. Its kind sad actually.

Most adults simply don't care about the private affairs of others adults. I think this is a very good thing. YMOV.

Except when it breaks a law; like in the topic we are discussing.

 

[Flying Pig]

I'm not saying that a relationship between a student and teacher is never coercive, just that it doesn't have to be

Pat's point is more subtle than 'the teacher promised him good grades'. He's saying that the student will want to get on the teachers' good side - consciously or unconsciously - and having a relationship with the teacher is one way to do so. In other words, he's probably the one pushing for it!

 

[civver_764]

Pat's point is more subtle than 'the teacher promised him good grades'. He's saying that the student will want to get on the teachers' good side - consciously or unconsciously - and having a relationship with the teacher is one way to do so. In other words, he's probably the one pushing for it!

So what if the student brought her gifts to school everyday? Would she be in the wrong for accepting the gifts?

Although you have kind of displayed the problem of having the teacher in an authoritative position in the first place and why those are generally wrong. But there doesn't need to be a double standard for sex. That's just socially conservative stigma that you guys are falling for.