The Crimson Flag - HoI2 Armageddon AAR
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Yep and the Soviets will get very upset as well. Its not fun trying to fight a two front war against the SU and Germany as a minor nation.
Basically attacking any other balkan nation is liable to result in a BCF with bizarre declarations of war.
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
I suspected such, given what the guarantees looked like. Mayhap the best strategy would be to wait for the German invasion of Poland, then invade Greece. And build up IC and military in the meantime.
Captain2
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Invade Iraq then, destroy those who oppose us! *foams at the mouth*
Iraq are currently a puppet of the UK and allied.
Captain2
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*produces a horrendous amount of mouth foam*
Kan' Sharuminar
Fluffy
I certainly would have waited for any of the major powers to show their hand before launching any attack. Now we have the Balkans in an uproar, and have no doubt deeply troubled any of the major powers. Our Foreign Minister is going to have a busy few months, I feel.
At any rate, it is not my place to say what we should do, only how we do it. I shall conduct some wargames in the near future.
THE ESTEEMED HEAD OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS would like to congratulate himself on the Albanian Capitulation!
Now, I advise we head after Bulgaria. Germany and the USSR guarantee its independence, but they also have NAPs with us. I find it unlikely that they will do much more than protest.
After Bulgaria, I say we wait low, wait for the declarations of war, and then snatch Greece/Persia.
Now, I advise we head after Bulgaria. Germany and the USSR guarantee its independence, but they also have NAPs with us. I find it unlikely that they will do much more than protest.
After Bulgaria, I say we wait low, wait for the declarations of war, and then snatch Greece/Persia.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
Well, that was easy. We literaly marched into their capital and took over the country withotu firing a shot. There is some mumbling and grumbling amongst the general population but I suspect that if we improve infrastructure and industry they will be silenced.
LightFang Pasha - we should also be looking at possible alliances. We need to do this while Ataturk is still alive, because we all know what Inonu thinks about international cooperation.
With our current relations we have zero chance of going into the side of the Allies or the Comintern. With our relations with Germany atm (+23 IIRC) we have over 30% chance of joining the Axis. With Japan (also around 20 - 30 relation) we have around 10% chance. Allying with Germany will most likely drag us into war in 1939, regardless whether we are ready or not, and we will have to fight the Soviets. With Japan, we may have an extra two years to prepare for war if we're lucky, however since they're far away they can't help us much.
IMO allying with either the Allies or Soviets aren't exactly in our best interest as they hold most of our empire (especially the Soviets - Caucasus is quite IC rich).
With our current relations we have zero chance of going into the side of the Allies or the Comintern. With our relations with Germany atm (+23 IIRC) we have over 30% chance of joining the Axis. With Japan (also around 20 - 30 relation) we have around 10% chance. Allying with Germany will most likely drag us into war in 1939, regardless whether we are ready or not, and we will have to fight the Soviets. With Japan, we may have an extra two years to prepare for war if we're lucky, however since they're far away they can't help us much.
IMO allying with either the Allies or Soviets aren't exactly in our best interest as they hold most of our empire (especially the Soviets - Caucasus is quite IC rich).
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
I say we allie with Japan. We will need the extra time. Failnig that we should ally with Germany.
carmen510
Deity
Applying for Chief of the Army. I believe that allying with Germany would be ideal, provided the time of alliance would coincide with our respective war with common enemies. (AKA the Soviets and the Allies)
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
That's a tough one - Just to reformat/restate the alliance options a bit:
.....................Adv. ........................................................ Disadv.
..............---------------------------------------------------------
Soviets....Nice to have a friendly major ..... Locked out of the IC and resources of the Caucasus.
..............power on your doorstep. ............ Guaranteed war with Axis
Germany .. Good counter to the Soviets, ..... Locked out of rest of Balkans, guaranteed war with
..............would at least still have a shot .. the Soviets (1941) and Allies (1939). Not enough time
..............at Yugosolavia and Greece. ....... to prepare for war.
Allies........Might help keep Soviets at ....... Pretty much locked out of Middle East,
..............arm's length ......................... not sure how much help they could provide
.......................................................... against either Axis or Soviets.
Japan......Not locked out of any claims. ..... We're S.O.L. if they declare war on the Soviets,
.......................................................... and also of no help against Allies.
Despite the isolationism issue, I am strongly inclined to cultivate the major
powers as money allows, then wait and see what happens, and take advantage.
Yes, it's risky, but there are no low risk options with alliances, either.
.....................Adv. ........................................................ Disadv.
..............---------------------------------------------------------
Soviets....Nice to have a friendly major ..... Locked out of the IC and resources of the Caucasus.
..............power on your doorstep. ............ Guaranteed war with Axis
Germany .. Good counter to the Soviets, ..... Locked out of rest of Balkans, guaranteed war with
..............would at least still have a shot .. the Soviets (1941) and Allies (1939). Not enough time
..............at Yugosolavia and Greece. ....... to prepare for war.
Allies........Might help keep Soviets at ....... Pretty much locked out of Middle East,
..............arm's length ......................... not sure how much help they could provide
.......................................................... against either Axis or Soviets.
Japan......Not locked out of any claims. ..... We're S.O.L. if they declare war on the Soviets,
.......................................................... and also of no help against Allies.
Despite the isolationism issue, I am strongly inclined to cultivate the major
powers as money allows, then wait and see what happens, and take advantage.
Yes, it's risky, but there are no low risk options with alliances, either.
I would advise Japan, even if it may be harder. We can't get dragged into a war, and Japan stands a fairly reasonable chance of winning the Second Sino-Japanese War that I'm pretty sure will happen based on some sort of incident at a bridge. Call it foresight.
have you thought about Italy? Italy has much the same vision as we do. You could divide up the eastern med between you. Also, if a European war were to break out and France fall... well, I can see us marching into Syria for "Humanitarian Reasons."
Could I be a staff officer for the Chief of Staff?
If not I would settle for Head of Intelligence.
Could I be a staff officer for the Chief of Staff?
If not I would settle for Head of Intelligence.
I vote for the Soviets as they are actually going to be fighting nearby, it would allow the game to follow a roughly historical path, and it gives us a decent number of years to build up.
Additionally its worth noting that Syria and Lebanon may become free nations so we coulld annex them (I'm not sure whether that would trigger a global war or not).
I'm against the alliance with Japan as we are likely to end up at war with the allies with little support if they launch a major assault. We won't have much of a navy either so its unlikely that we would be able to block their landings.
Italy is an odd one as if they don't join the axis then there is no guarentee that they will end up at war with the allies and additionally they claim the balkan coast line and may demand it regularly.
Additionally its worth noting that Syria and Lebanon may become free nations so we coulld annex them (I'm not sure whether that would trigger a global war or not).
I'm against the alliance with Japan as we are likely to end up at war with the allies with little support if they launch a major assault. We won't have much of a navy either so its unlikely that we would be able to block their landings.
Italy is an odd one as if they don't join the axis then there is no guarentee that they will end up at war with the allies and additionally they claim the balkan coast line and may demand it regularly.
Sorry about the inactivity on my part. This AAR will be updated next week, hopefully. I'm currently busy with school and having a terrible headache doesn't help. I really want to get back to this but I haven't been feeling well since last week.
Update 2
The Road to War, Part 1
The Road to War, Part 1
The first half of 1936 seemed to have passed by relatively peacefully. Behind the scenes, however, tension was building between the world's Great Powers. Some fools have even start talking of another Great War on the horizon. Some may dismiss them as scaremongers, but the Not-Quite-Sublime Porte in Istanbul isn't going take any chances. Turkey's security comes first, peace in the world or not. If that security had to be obtained by rebuilding the Empire, then so be it.
In the deeply-divided nation of Spain, the Popular Front was elected to power. Ironically, it only served to deepen the ideological divisions in the country.
In March, Nazi Germany defied the Treaty of Versailles by reoccupying Rhineland. The British and French grumbled something about "Gearing up for war", but nothing else happened.
Meanwhile, the Manchurian warlord Zhang Xueliang kidnapped the leader of the Chinese Nationalists, Chiang Kai-Shek, at Xi'an to force him to make peace with the Communists and unite the nation in the face of Japanese aggression. Nanking decided this was treason and sent a force to rescue their Generalissimo. Chiang Kai-shek survived his ordeal - now he was more determined to destroy the Communists than ever. The Generalissimo instituted an even more brutal, dictatorial regime over Nationalist China. Zhang Xueliang and his associates were executed in Xi'an. What were they thinking?
In Africa, Ethiopia was finally defeated by the Italians. Mussolini has his Empire now, but it took a long time for Italy to overcome the ill-armed and ill-organized Ethiopians. How will Italy fared in a World War? Mussolini was not pleased, and ordered a major arms build-up.
Back to Europe now. With Turkey's lazy and incompetent research department having little to report, and with no major military development, the CFC Sublime Porte turned their attention to foreign affairs. To strengthen relations with the Great Powers, Turkey concluded a few trade deals with those nations, but especially Germany and Japan, the two nations most friendly to Ankara. The Powers have been doing some influencing of their own, although a few "incidents" have marred relations with the Soviet Union.
The Soviet spies were interrogated and imprisoned. One complimented on the good treatment from the prison guards and excellent prison facilities. Stalin quickly sent Molotov to try to make up with us. We got him to do an impression of General Kan Sharuminar, and no lasting damage resulted from the incident.
Turkey have been doing a bit of spying of its own, particularly on a certain neighbouring nation...
Bulgaria was one of the former Ottoman realms which gained independence in the 19th century due to the intervention of our enemies, and joined our Balkan neighbours in eating up former Ottoman European territories. Still, none of the Balkan nations like Bulgaria much - the Bulgarians have territorial claims all over the place. Their independence is guaranteed by the Germans and the Soviets. Both however have non-aggression pacts with Turkey. With 21 large factories and decent research teams, the Bulgarian territories would greatly strengthen Turkey ... assuming the Turkish legions managed to reach Sofia.
To beat the Bulgarians, however, Turkey's Ottoman-era weapons must be replaced with newer models. This is however taking time. Too much time. It will take even more time to properly distribute the new rifles around the country and train our men to use them. Meanwhile, with our aircrafts upgraded to new(er) models, work began on training and equipping mountaineer divisions.
By the end of May, the incompetent people at Istanbul Military Industries was still working on the new rifles. After six months of research the IMI can only send occasional pathetic apology notes to the Porte: "We need one more turn. Just one more turn." Istanbul University meanwhile was working on mechanized agriculture to increase our manpower. This was done by the end of May. Wasting no time, Dell19 ordered them to work on a Census Tabulating Machine.
So, gentlemen, here we are at the beginning of June, 1936. IMI will soon finish their research on infantry rifles. Should we move on to cavalry weapons, or begin researching industrial tools, or perhaps work on our navy or military doctrine?
The next 24 months or so will be crucial for the future of Turkey.
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