The Democratic Nomination

[Hygro]

It's interesting how trump recognized Biden as his most probable challenger and gone to great lengths to uncover dirt on him. While Biden was expected to be frontrunner initially not many might have expected him to sustain it. Biden is the closest to a democratic trump though , and that might explain trump going after Biden.
I personally think Bernie has best chance of defeating trump . He doesn't have past skeletons in closet and is very likeable . He is good at putting his point across and attacking back . Warren has that DNA nonsense, fodder for right wing attack points and doesn't seem to be good at dealing with attacks . She might end up like Corbyn to Johnson with trump.

Okay, what do you mean by likeable? Do you mean you like him? I find him to be totally un-amiable. I don't "like" him. I'm totally down to support him, but I find his "likeability" to be super low.

 

[Berzerker]

Bernie?

Shush that baby, we cant be having that, okay

 

[Kyriakos]

Bernie?

Shush that baby, we cant be having that, okay

That makes Bernie unlikable? Is this a wash now?

 

[rah]

involved enough to have it investigated

Yet you complain when Trump is investigated for it. Great double standard. I've never said Biden shouldn't be investigated.

 

[Fippy]

All i know is that by now Republicans (aka Trump) are small favorites, Dems not exactly doing well (they started as more comfy favorites when i looked 1y ago or so).
And that with all the controversy about Trump..

 

[Kyriakos]

Biden won't win - he barely can string a sentence together. Trump is no genius either, but he is self-aware to the degree that he uses just 10 words with a max of two syllables.

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: This may come as a surprise, but not every thread needs to turn into a Trump thread. Let's keep this one focussed on Democratic nominees, thanks.

 

[rah]

As bad as Biden seems, I think he's on top because a lot of people think that others can't possibly beat (he who should not be named)
I don't know about the wisdom of this.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

As bad as Biden seems, I think he's on top because a lot of people think that others can't possibly beat (he who should not be named)
I don't know about the wisdom of this.

I think it's that plus familiarity with and nostalgia for the Obama administration.

 

[rah]

I don't think so. All I can remember about Biden during the Obama administration where the times he came off looking like a buffoon.
His being a more central candidate vs being a far left one is more the reason. But since he's still a buffoon, I expect Bloomy to gain more traction since he's not a far left candidate either. White males seem to offend the least amount of people. (a sad reality these days)

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I was a supporter of the notion of Biden running in 2016 and remained as such until around the time he actually got in the race at which point my preferences switched to more progressive candidates. For me at least it was nostalgia and familiarity that made me a supporter. He was a pretty active VP that pushed Obama on gay marriage and healthcare. He was a more than capable debater back then and I really appreciated his performance against Paul Ryan as it came after a debate that saw a seemingly disconnected Obama phoning it in versus Romney.

<obviously, this is just me speaking for myself>

 

[Socrates99]

Huh? The Pussy-Grabber in Chief would get play attacking someone for sniffing?

His play when the Pussy Grabber audio leaked was to bring a half dozen Bill Clinton accusers to the next debate and place them front and center. Anyone with even a minutely sketchy past on the inappropriate touching stuff is open to that line of attack. Biden has been running on "experienced most electable moderate candidate." In reality he's one of the weakest v Trump. 90k voters in Michigan voted straight ticket Democrat but left the Potus slot blank. Trump won that state by 10k votes.

Back on topic, M4ALL polls over 70% with registered Democrats, even higher amongst young voters. Anytime a candidate wavered, waffled on or abandoned it their numbers dropped. Bernie has record breaking fundraising numbers and the most volunteers working for him. I know Biden is leading but so was Jeb! at one point in 2015. It's a populist era, like it or not.

Bidens numbers dont look solid until the NC primary and shortly after that is CA where Bernie is curbstomping him. If Biden loses too many of the early primaries and Bernie goes into Super Tuesday with a lead Biden may as well drop out because the only thing he's running on "electability" is gone.

 

[tamyrlin]

I think you have Warren and Sanders flipped. Sanders only became a Democrat recently and with the best will in the world, Sander's doesn't score particularly well on "Plays Nice With Others". The institutional Democratic Party doesn't particularly like Sanders and the amount of sniping and nitpicking on his candidacy from grumpy Third Way Democrats will sink Sander's presidential campaign and make him an American Corbyn.
Warren, on the other hand, is broadly similar to Sanders in what she can get done with an obstructionist congress (ie: who she will appoint to cabinet, judges, and the alphabet agencies) and the institutional Democratic Party likes her more as she is a better 'Team Player'.
Sanders would be far better on the outside, working to keep popular excitement high. One of Obama's biggest election mistakes was to allow the popular excitement to dissipate. He had assembled a strong and excited coalition, that was more or less allowed to wither/not used for state election; and the Democrats paid a heavy price for that.

While Warren is more likeable inside democratic party, I'm not sure she is that likeable with voters . She seems to be the more technocrat type, which for some reason doesn't work in this social media fueled world .

Trump was not likeable by many in republican , who were supposedly never trump . They kept sniping on him and nothing happened, who republican base is with him. Democratic Republic parties are different, but I'm not thinking team player with other democrats is so important as getting republicans from power.

I agree about Sanders being better at energising party from outside and Warren having better coordination with other democrats. It won't make any good if Warren loses.

I feel Warren will play the nice person ala Corbyn and will get eaten in election . We need a more combative personality to fight republican fakes, trolls,attack points and Bernie seems to be more combative type to counter republican dirty tricks . With trump the Pocahontas and other republican attacks might sink her .

 

[tamyrlin]

Okay, what do you mean by likeable? Do you mean you like him? I find him to be totally un-amiable. I don't "like" him. I'm totally down to support him, but I find his "likeability" to be super low.

I meant likeability for the US electorate. Warren,Yang have a technocrat sort of vibe which doesn't seem to work well in this social media fueled world. My impression from debates is that Bernie can attack and handle attacks better than Warren. I could be wrong but I feel Warren could end up like Corbyn or Clinton with the social media smear campaign .

 

[mitsho]

I don't know. It's certainly the conception of her. But she had a year now and i feel she has shown herself to be very adapt at Social Media and meeting people.The debates were tough as well. And every democratic candidate is prepared for Trump Style attacks, since they will come in any case. Is Biden really better prepared for them? I'm not sure how much we should put on those "First Impressions". they might not be true anymore. But of course, if you (the media) repeat them, Sanders become the grumpy old grandpa that can be nice and tough at the same time. Likeability is as much a result of the repetition of first impressions than it is of substance. Most people will copy what they hear after all since they have no time to follow the news themselves or only see the 20-second snippets the news provides.

 

[Estebonrober]

Sanders. M4A. This is all

 

[Socrates99]

Sanders. M4A. This is all

The polling amongst Democrats on that issue alone should clue people in. Let's not kid around. The same people supporting that policy are the same people most likely to turn out in a primary.

 

[Lexicus]

Okay, what do you mean by likeable? Do you mean you like him? I find him to be totally un-amiable. I don't "like" him. I'm totally down to support him, but I find his "likeability" to be super low.

I don't get why he's a dope old dude

 

[Socrates99]

Okay, what do you mean by likeable? Do you mean you like him? I find him to be totally un-amiable. I don't "like" him. I'm totally down to support him, but I find his "likeability" to be super low.

I'm super confused by this. What's unlikable about him? Especially compared to a slimey guy like Biden.

 

[Hygro]

I don't get why he's a dope old dude

A dope old always angry pontificating old dude...

I'm super confused by this. What's unlikable about him? Especially compared to a slimey guy like Biden.

What do you “like” about him? No need to compare him to Biden.