The denial of rights.

[classical_hero]

http://www.un.org/cyberschoolbus/humanrights/resources/child.asp

WHEREAS the child, by reason of his physical and mental immaturity, needs special safeguards and care, including appropriate legal protection, before as well as after birth,

So why are so many countries denying a basic right human right too so many people? I thought we should be standing up for. But so many here and around the world continue to fight against this basic right.

 

[Arwon]

Because people such as yourself are working on an unsupportable and purely theologically driven definition of personhood. /thread

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

appropriate legal protection

Let the discussion about defining "appropriate" commence.

 

[Arwon]

Clearly it means the right of the hypothetical future person to be aborted so that person can be born at a later time when their mother is more capable of raising them.

 

[Verbose]

http://www.un.org/cyberschoolbus/humanrights/resources/child.asp

So why are so many countries denying a basic right human right too so many people? I thought we should be standing up for. But so many here and around the world continue to fight against this basic right.

Protection here also includes not having to be born unwanted, in crappy conditions.

The decree here is not that every effort should be expended to ensure that as many sex-cells as is even possible are involved in fertilisation. Someone might try to argue that (no sex except for procreation is an old favourite after all), but it's not how the UN charter was intended to be interpreted.

 

[Borachio]

The child shall be protected from practices which may foster racial, religious and any other form of discrimination. He shall be brought up in a spirit of understanding, tolerance, friendship among peoples, peace and universal brotherhood, and in full consciousness that his energy and talents should be devoted to the service of his fellow men.

If only.

 

[Zelig]

So why are so many countries denying a basic right human right too so many people? I thought we should be standing up for. But so many here and around the world continue to fight against this basic right.

The fight is over.

 

[JollyRoger]

When conservatives start being concerned about after, then we can start talking about before.

 

[Borachio]

Clearly it means the right of the hypothetical future person to be aborted so that person can be born at a later time when their mother is more capable of raising them.

Not the same person, though, is it?

(I hereby declare that I am not female, never likely to get pregnant, nor seek an abortion. Nor would I ever encourage a woman to have an abortion, or deny a woman the right to make her own choice, nor refuse any support to a woman who so chose - or not. I think.)

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ah, but if the mother had the first child unwanted, she may never have the wanted child at a later time.

 

[El_Machinae]

You mean, like providing vitamins for pregnant women?

 

[Borachio]

Folic acid? Who are you asking? What are you asking?

 

[warpus]

So why are so many countries denying a basic right human right too so many people? I thought we should be standing up for. But so many here and around the world continue to fight against this basic right.

Before the baby is born, the mother's rights to her body overrule the fetus'

You can't just ignore the rights of the mother while at the same time complaining that people's rights aren't looked after.

 

[History_Buff]

That, and there's a great number of rights in there that we in North America don't really live up to. Why should a theological definition of personhood be different?

 

[Farm Boy]

Clearly it means the right of the hypothetical future person to be aborted so that person can be born at a later time when their mother is more capable of raising them.

Loving and waiting families abound. There are good arguments to be had here, but the "capable of raising them" argument isn't really a decent one.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Loving and waiting families abound.

Hopefully that assumption is predicated on more than just gut feeling and/or wishful thinking.

 

[Farm Boy]

Hopefully that assumption is predicated on more than just gut feeling and/or wishful thinking.

Indeed. Though I'll have to qualify my experience is limited to the USA.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Oh, and anecdotal evidence isn't enough either. Quantify your assumptions.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
...
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
...
Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

Let's start here.

 

[Farm Boy]

Oh, and anecdotal evidence isn't enough either. Quantify your assumptions.

Look up any major adoption agency and qualify it for infant adoption rather than foster placement. Lutheran Child and Family Services, Catholic Charities, et all. Google adoption lawyers and read some. Visit a "desperately seeking spawn" advertisement website. If you want an excel spreadsheet I'll let you scratch that itch on your own.