The future of Tesla

Teslas are rubbish. There's nothing innovative about sticking a ton of batteries in a car.

There's a little British company that builds far more innovative vehicles.

https://frazer-nash.com/
 
Welp, despite getting off easy, Musk is still a moron. Hopefully the Judge will reject the settlement on the grounds Musk has learned absolutely nothing.
Atlantic said:
The terms have yet to take effect. The settlement is subject to court approval, which is underway. And Teddy Schleifer, a reporter at Recode, reports that the provision regarding the monitoring of Musk’s communications only goes into effect 90 days after the date the settlement was reached. Musk has about 80 more days to tweet what he wants about Tesla, and he appears to be taking advantage of the lag.

On Thursday, Musk, in an apparent attempt to mock the SEC, put his own twist on the agency’s initialism that takes aim at short sellers, a class of investors that have long been a prickly thorn in the entrepreneur’s side:
"Just want to that the Shortseller Enrichment Commission is doing incredible work. And the name change is so on point!"

The tweet may come as a surprise to those who think that making fun of federal regulators a week after they sued you may not be the wisest tactic. It probably does not come as a surprise to those who have been following Musk’s snark-laced tweets about his critics, whether they’re the investors who bet against Tesla or the reporters who cover it. It suggests that instead of hunkering down, he’s probably going to tweet right through it.
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The new beef with the SEC, however, seems like an escalation of Musk’s usual complaints in the financial market realm, and could have implications for Tesla going forward. Hours before Musk published his tweet mocking the SEC, a federal judge in New York, where the settlement was filed, ordered both the CEO and the agency to justify the agreement. U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan said the court must make a “minimal determination of whether the agreement is appropriate” before she approved it, and has instructed the two parties to file “a joint letter not to exceed ten pages double-spaced explaining why the court should approve the proposed consent judgment.” It sounds like the school group project from hell, and Musk’s rogue tweet may have just ensured the process will be even more complicated.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/10/elon-musk-tesla-sec-twitter/572230/
 
Either he can't help it, in other words the man has gone mad. Or he already admitted to himself that the company is about to go bankrupt and wants to be able to pin the blame on some regulator for evicting him before it goes down. Either way that is one man whose narcissism overrides other emotions.
 
Either he can't help it, in other words the man has gone mad. Or he already admitted to himself that the company is about to go bankrupt and wants to be able to pin the blame on some regulator for evicting him before it goes down. Either way that is one man whose narcissism overrides other emotions.
So you're saying he's preparing a presidential run? Waka waka.

I think we may very well be dealing with a mental illness here.
 
Teslas are rubbish. There's nothing innovative about sticking a ton of batteries in a car.

There's a little British company that builds far more innovative vehicles.

https://frazer-nash.com/

http://www.eenewspower.com/news/chinese-group-invests-ps100m-uk-electric-taxi-production#

All that is is a Chinese company reviving a long dead British name plate to draw in suckers. It uses both the plug and last generation battery tech which Tesla made public in order to encourage other companies to produce electric cars while Tesla uses current generation battery technology which is more energy dense and has better charge equalization between cells. Not to mention Tesla can produce those batteries more cheaply than just about anyone right now. Only a few Chinese firms can come close and they all get massive state subsidies.

The Metro Cab is an interesting niche product, there is very little innovation there, but it does pull a lot of older techs into a nice package (things like the electric drive with small on oard motors for recharging a la the Chevy Volt). The reality is the Chinese firm Red Sun owns the who show though and it is no where close to the same league as Tesla.
 
Maybe Elon has read too many presidential tweets over the past couple years, and doesn't realize the consequences are higher if you aren't the POTUS. It is unfortunately easy to let the habits of prolific tweeters rub off on you, and Shortseller Enrichment Commission is at least as good as Low-Energy Jeb in the insult department, if not quite to the level of Lyin' Ted.

Really though I think he's running himself ragged, and in his admitted lack of sleep, is not filtering himself like he normally would and is letting his frustrations get the better of him. Who isn't more irritable when they're sleep-deprived, and increase that by a factor of five or ten, and add in the stress of running Tesla right now, and it's not hard to see this happening. Hopefully he'll realize that he needs to dial things back a bit and get more rest before causing serious damage.
 
Teslas are rubbish. There's nothing innovative about sticking a ton of batteries in a car.

There's a little British company that builds far more innovative vehicles.

https://frazer-nash.com/
It's totally your brand to declare everything garbage but the idea that Tesla's are rubbish because someone back in 1890 had the IDEA of an electric car being a worthy endeavor is antiprogress and unintellectual.
 
http://www.eenewspower.com/news/chinese-group-invests-ps100m-uk-electric-taxi-production#

All that is is a Chinese company reviving a long dead British name plate to draw in suckers. It uses both the plug and last generation battery tech which Tesla made public in order to encourage other companies to produce electric cars while Tesla uses current generation battery technology which is more energy dense and has better charge equalization between cells. Not to mention Tesla can produce those batteries more cheaply than just about anyone right now. Only a few Chinese firms can come close and they all get massive state subsidies.

The Metro Cab is an interesting niche product, there is very little innovation there, but it does pull a lot of older techs into a nice package (things like the electric drive with small on oard motors for recharging a la the Chevy Volt). The reality is the Chinese firm Red Sun owns the who show though and it is no where close to the same league as Tesla.
Pretty much everything you've said is wrong:

The Chinese company has invested in MetroCab, they don't own it, let alone the research co. Frazer Nash, which is owned by a different group entirely and has been conducting EV research since before the Prius, let alone the Chevy Volt - and pre-dating the existence of Tesla motors as a company.

It's totally your brand to declare everything garbage but the idea that Tesla's are rubbish because someone back in 1890 had the IDEA of an electric car being a worthy endeavor is antiprogress and unintellectual.
You've got some pretty weird ideas about what is going on in my head.
 
You've got some pretty weird ideas about what is going on in my head.
You regularly declare things are terrible for not being good enough compared to some ideal form of even better progress. No need to imagine what's in your head.
 
Oh noes! I think things could be a bit better. How simply dreadful of me. :run:
 
...... No need to imagine what's in your head.
Lots of icky gooey stuff
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Oh noes! I think things could be a bit better. How simply dreadful of me. :run:
No, you think things that are better than before are bad because they aren't better enough.
 
It's really generous of you, conversationally speaking, to be restating my position but making it more negative.
 
To get some financial facts straight on Tesla through the turmoil of share price volatility..

Total losses from 2008 to 2018 Q1 were $4.9 Billion.
The total Book Value as of 2018 Q1 is $2.8 Billion.
This means that the actual money spend to develop, industrialise and scale up, the money invested so far (starting losses are also an investment), is $7.7 Billion.
The loss of Q1 2018, a further start up investment, was only $0.7 Billion. Roughly at $3.0 Billion per year rate.

This is small compared to the Market Cap of Tesla Inc. of $45 Billion.
As long as Tesla can in a couple of years deliver a reliable car at the current profit margin per car at enough volume, I guess there is room as well for the share price to decrease, and still be good enough to generate cash for further investments for Tesla by selling new shares.
 
It turns out the original deal with the SEC would have eliminated the ability for SpaceX (or really any company Musk leads) from selling shares to private investors to raise funds. This alone can actually explain why Tesla scuttled the deal last minute though ego may still have played a role. The new deal does not include that clause.

SpaceX is private but they still sell shares to large inestors (Google, etc) every so often.
 
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Bloomberg is estimating 135,000 Model 3s built to date with another 14,000 VINs recently registered. 65% of those VINs are for top of the line dual motors. Tesla is going to have a very profitable Q4.
 
Yeah here's hoping they can sustain mass production. Their numbers for Q3 were somewhat artificially bumped due to the way they staged deliveries but still they have clearly made progress.
 
Panasonic makes the battery cells under contract at the Gigafactory and apparently that was the biggest bottle neck. Luckily, Panasonic just installed new lines tripling battery cell production.
 
I take it you all know Musk is a civver? He is like the most famous person playing Civilization.
You should cut him some slack.
 
I take it you all know Musk is a civver? He is like the most famous person playing Civilization.
You should cut him some slack.
That's a rather pointless argument. I like professional wrestling. Chris Benoit was a great professional wrestler; at one point, he was the best in the world. Should I cut him some slack for murdering his family? Or, on a far less extreme note, should I cut Stone Cold Steve Austin some slack for beating his ex-wife? Donald Trump? Although given his onscreen performance, he earnt the hatred of wrestling fans long ago.

Just because Musk plays Civ, doesn't mean he deserves any slack for being a massive dick.
 
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