The Great DoC 1.9 UHV Challenge

[pippo84]

UHV 1: send Tibetan Horsemen to conquer 3 cities in south (Grom Khyer, Deli and Pagan), build a Colon in Rasa and set East.

UHV2: The main problem in doing Tibetan 2nd UHV is relation with neighbours, especially China. The only thing you have to do is built missionaries in each city and spread in the bigger cities of Asia. Wait for the seljuk death/defeat (I left 9 missionaries near Mumbai/Bombai, in the jungle) and then go to Europe (France and HR). Byz and Arab have Theocracy, so I was unable to sread there.

UHV3: I was able to maintain Grom K. under my control; if it pass to Deli Sultanate, try to re-conquerer it cause you can train 5/6 Priest there !!!!

hired a lot of mercenaries.

 

[strijder20]

TD, I think you missed my Tibet game (it's on SVN, by the way).

 

[pippo84]

Nobody have done this challenge on the following civilization yet :

Persia
Japan
Tibet
Indonesia
Spain
Holy Rome
Mali
Poland
Portugal
Thailand
Congo
Prussia

I've read this and I choose to try Tibet, using Tomorrow's Dawn rules: Monarch difficulty and Normal speed... I have not seen your Tibet game (@ strijder20) ...
I'll try to do better...

 

[iOnlySignIn]

There is a good reason that no one has played Japan or Prussia yet. The "Be the first to finish the Tech tree" goal is booooooooriiiiiiiiiiing. Moreover, it involves preventing other civs from winning Space Race. Nuking everyone into oblivion so you can finish the Tech tree first in 1980 isn't exactly fun IMO.

I suggest alternative UHVs. Such as:

(1) Be the first to enter the Future Era

(2) Prussia: Be the first to discover Combustion, Fission, and Rocketry.

(3) Japan: Be the first to discover Ecology, Robotics, and Fiber Optics.

 

[youtien]

There is a good reason that no one has played Japan or Prussia yet. The "Be the first to finish the Tech tree" goal is booooooooriiiiiiiiiiing. Moreover, it involves preventing other civs from winning Space Race. Nuking everyone into oblivion so you can finish the Tech tree first in 1980 isn't exactly fun IMO.

I suggest alternative UHVs. Such as:

(1) Be the first to enter the Future Era

(2) Prussia: Be the first to discover Combustion, Fission, and Rocketry.

(3) Japan: Be the first to discover Ecology, Robotics, and Fiber Optics.

How about "outlaw nuclear weapon and make environmentalism the global civic"? That civic is always underrepresented. But for what civ?

 

[strijder20]

I've read this and I choose to try Tibet, using Tomorrow's Dawn rules: Monarch difficulty and Normal speed... I have not seen your Tibet game (@ strijder20) ...
I'll try to do better...

Well, you already did in a way. My game will get listed separately since it isn't following the main settings (there is a separate listing for Emperor/Epic/Viceroy/Marathon).

 

[iOnlySignIn]

How about "outlaw nuclear weapon and make environmentalism the global civic"? That civic is always underrepresented. But for what civ?

^ You know the easiest way to accomplish that is actually to nuke everyone?

I think "Be the first to adopt Environmentalism" could be a good UHV for Japan. Maybe Prussia too.

 

[pippo84]

UHV 1: forgotten research, all % to gold. All cities production (except Const, see UHV2) was to wealthness (except for unique Byz building, and catholic buildings) Set in Constantinopolis the Ap. Place, so I was abe to build the Holy Palce through GPh (that's give me a lot of gold/turn and I had good relations with european civs)
Once achived the 1st goal, I bought civil service, calendar and researched music (Phylosophy with GPh).
UHV 2: bulid Borodobur (?) in Const, so I turned all the priests in artist and then use 1 artist to sperad colture; to avoid unhappines I traded with Eu civs.
Built in Const also happyness and kealthness buildings (to raise pop to 15).
UHV 3: the very hard. The problems are the Seljuk invasion (they destroy every improvement), Mongols and the Otomans... To defeat them, I set a huge army in Constant and send another army to destroy their two city in the East. I've renconquered Ankara the turn after its secession... In this way, their army attaking Const desappeared.... After that I invaded the Egyptian coasts (reborn from Arabian death).

PT: 6712

 

[youtien]

I got a very lucky start - Constantinople with Great Cothon and 4 legions, Sparta with Great Lighthouse and Great Library and Ishtar Gate, Sur with 8 hoplites and 2 catapults, and 2 barb camel archers near Jerusalem. I flipped Abu-Simbel too, but I only got one tile because Egyptian was alive and was vassal of Rume. Persian didn't DoW at me but I attacked them after flip anyway. Razed Arxatana and resettled Phasis on iron (decent spot with clam and deer), captured Parsa with Mauseleum of Mausollos. Sent a worker from Gwadar to India and China.

Constantinople built AP after work boat, with Great Cothon I could finish in 660 AD. Then Rome founded Orthodoxy but collapsed soon after Franks spawn, and my army was ready to take it, with Hagia Sophia and the Colossus built in. I accepted Arabian flip and fought them, Romans still got Legions to retake Sur, and I captured Babylon(with the Pyramids!) and made peace for the time. Later I fought Arabs again and retook Jerusalem.

0% research first, My first GP was scientist, who bulbed paper before turn 181(1600) and I used exceed points to finish meditation too. Bought calendar from Ethiopia (Tibetan would trade it too) Then I went on engineering - guilds (bought feudalism from Indian), 2nd and 3rd GP were and must be merchant, I walked them to China and got 1900 gold each. So I got 4000+ gold in 950 AD, and easily achieved 5000 in 990. Then I went civil service - printing press - patronage (bought music from Indian again) gunpowder - military tradition. Upgraded my army with gold.

The key to defend against Seljuks is castle, pikemen and cavalry, I got Buddhism in Sparta and Ankara from start too, so I built Himeji Castle, it helps. With enough preparation I took out their stacks in 6 turns. Mongols were even easier because they got no heavy swordsmen. The real pain comes from Turks, but I managed to get cuirassiers and defeated their main army near Ankara. Meanwhile, I went to conquer Egypt, which was easy. Turks surrendered after 8 painful flipping turns, with no city, and I couldn't give them any. I wonder how can they research meditation anyway.

After Roman collapsed, I took Singidunum in about 790, and Razed Wien before German spawned, giving it full space to grow to a great city soon. In last turns I bulbed rifling via liberalism, bought optics from Vikings and circumvated the globe, got all 3 conqueror events and vassalized Mayans and Aztecs. The last tech I got was constitution. So my final score is 15510.

 

[youtien]

Additional graphics and savefile here. This in on svn 418. Blue Mosque in Constantinople, Topkapi Palace in Babylon enabled me to draft every turn. Divine rights was from Mali as usual, and I researched banking by myself. 2nd goal achieved by great artist from patronage.

Civics was Dynasticism - tribalism at start (you have little pasture and plantation and you need cottage and trade routes), vassalage - urbanization later, and had not changed since then.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Civics was Dynasticism - tribalism at start (you have little pasture and plantation and you need cottage and trade routes), vassalage - urbanization later, and had not changed since then.

I'm playing Rome and have come to similar conclusions.

Agrarianism is not worth it for European civs, even if there's no Anarchy to Civic switches.

Agrarianism may be worth it in some cases for China/India, depending on how you play.

I suggest giving Agrarianism a +1 bonus to all cities/6 smallest cities.

 

[youtien]

I'm playing Rome and have come to similar conclusions.

Agrarianism is not worth it for European civs, even if there's no Anarchy to Civic switches.

Agrarianism may be worth it in some cases for China/India, depending on how you play.

I suggest giving Agrarianism a +1 bonus to all cities/6 smallest cities.

Or +1 health in all cities, or... each farm gives 0.5 in capital? (idea from Dune)

 

[iOnlySignIn]

New Rome (Tech) UHV, SVN 423, E/E

Roman Roads + New UP + Cheap Legions = World Domination. The new Tech UHV is winnable before 330 AD, which means that you don't have to suffer Byzantine spawn any more. Rome can now be more awesome than China/Persia.

It also helps that the gigantic stacks of new Barbs do not immediately move in to pillage/raze your cities.

Technically I cheated a little bit by moving around the spawn points of various Ancient civs to better locations. Egypt spawns 1N (so that they will build Buto/Alexandria instead of a non-coastal city), Greece spawns 1SW on Corinth Marble (they built Great Cothon there and made it almost better than Rome), Babylon spawns 1E on Stone, Persia spawns 1S in Shiraz.

 

[BenZL43]

I know the reason why the island beside Italy is often not covered by cultures at all but perhaps there can be something so that if a tile is surrounded (bordered 8 tile) by culture of the same civilization, they should be automatically covered by that culture too.

ROME ROME ROME ==> ROME ROME ROME
ROME ----- ROME ==> ROME ROME ROME
ROME ROME ROME ==> ROME ROME ROME

 

[pippo84]

Founded the 2 cities on marble. Conquered Egypt, Babylonia, Tyro, Jerusalem and Parsa. Then Pompei and Rome.
Used some GP to discover tech, GE for Parthenon.

 

[Gem Hound]

I would like to submit a tie for the Maya, this was on the SVN.

Spoiler Empire :

Spoiler Score :

Score
Normalized: 2858
Score: 530
Difficulty: Monarch

Years
600 AD I discovered Calendar
800 AD I built the Temple of Kukulkan in Huaxyacac
1300 AD a Great General was created in Huaxyacac, the city of the 2 great priests.
Won in 1600 AD.

Spoiler Cities :

Before I start, this was all trial and error.
I started off by building on top of the silver(Hadn't played DOC for a while and I had heard about the full yield thing), it was more of a food city than anything else.
I then built Huaxycayac, and when I had all the perquisites for the Temple of Kukulkan, it took me two turns to figure out that it ALSO needs Pantheon in order to get built...
So, I flipped, built the temple, and waited till the Aztecs spawned. During that time, I built my third city in Texas and it was called Uxmal.
When the Aztecs spawned, I zerg rushed them, only killing units and pillaging improvements. I gained my great general, made peace, sucked up and they eventually came to me with a vassal request. After that, my South American Scout met the French in Brazil, we didn't get any conquerors, but the Inca did and were quickly chopped to pieces, their Northernmost and last city being conquered by barbarians. By the time 1600 had rolled around, I had been in contact with every Muslim Kingdom at least once, and the French.

Interesting Note via World Builder: The Polish own the Balkans.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

^The game you played won't qualify you for the high-score list.
As there have been higher-scoring Maya plays. Good try though.

Anyways, I'll update this in the afternoon.

 

[strijder20]

HRE, 3000 BC, Monarch, Epic

I decided to give the HRE a go again, as I had so much fun conquering all of Europe last time I did

I did the same thing I did in the previous challenge thread: rush France at spawn with the knighties. Resulted in this after 3 city captures:

Spoiler :

France vassalized, of course.
Continued building the AP (on 600 AD starts you have to conquer both Rome and Jerusalem, but on 3000 BC you're usually not obliged to conquer any city at all) in Frankfurt, when finished I whipped a church there and ran a priest. GP popped in 1115.

Spoiler :

Then Tang's spearman suddenly pops up in Scandinavia and I can shave a few turns off Printing Press (went Paper-PP immediately and thus was already researching it).

Spoiler :

Protestantism in 1130

Of course Reformation wars break out and everything happens exactly like it did the previous time: Spain ends up being the only contra-reformation country. England, Protestant of course, becomes my vassal:

Spoiler :

After some serious mauling by my knights Spain capitulates, only to collapse the next turn. W/E, one turn of 3 vassals is enough for it to count, and that's what I had

Spoiler :

After that just conquering some cities to get my score up until 1200 AD comes around. Poland and Moors also DOWed me, as you can see it didn't really end well for them. Final empire:

Spoiler :

Notice 'Habsburg Empire'. Apparently unlocked by conquering Spain as HRE or the other way round.

Spoiler :

Good enough for 11127 score, my second highest historical score so far.

 

[Gem Hound]

^The game you played won't qualify you for the high-score list.
As there have been higher-scoring Maya plays. Good try though.

Anyways, I'll update this in the afternoon.

It wasn't for score, it was for year. The other guy's score easily wipes mine out.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

It wasn't for score, it was for year. The other guy's score easily wipes mine out.

The other two finished in the 1300s.
Your game finished on 1600.

EDIT: Updated.
Also, I must reiterate: No cheating or custom alterations to your DoC.
This means changing things that Leoreth himself didn't change.
Otherwise, that Roman game would've found itself on a nice place on the list.

That is all.