The Idiots' Partee

[Whomp]

The problem with chopping too many forests is that if you leave some behind they'll spread to other tiles.

I don't mind the chop here and there, but I'd rather to save them until we need speed (ie: racing to a wonder or a surprise attack that we are not prepared for)

They will spread to other tiles as long as there's connected to forest tiles. I agree that chopping for wonders is a good plan as well but early settlers can increase the number of forest tiles inside the country's radius.

 

[Daghdha]

Just for the record, are we the first party to have our Founder and Eldest banned for foul languge 20 turns into the demogame. I mean, it was baaaad and nothing to laugh at or in anyway encourage, but at the same time... a wee bit funny

 

[Vander]

We do need to chop forests that are on river tiles. That denial of commerce from the river is too important to lose to another sheild or whatever (Depending on what's under the forest).

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

I'll hereby expose my scientific dept head's campaign stragey: Top to bottom, right to left, as availability comes.

I will need help defining availability, top, bottom, right and left, though. Please, anyone who has the game, enlighten me on that one. But it does sound to me, in princepals, as a fair plan.

 

[akots]

Regarding chop: Of course, why not, lets chop some forest here and there. It all depends on the map and health which we need. I'd say that start near the flood plains (somewhat unhealthy) requires at least 2 and may be 3 or 4 forests left intact in the initial city radius to balance the health issues. But it is a good idea to chop forests outside of these 9 tiles imho. The earlier we chop, the more cities we can build. THe more cities we can build, the more units we can build. The more units we can build, the faster we can go and kill somebody out there. The more blood is spilled, the greater is the fun. The greater is the fun, the more beer we can have. The more beer we can have, the more drunk we get. The more drunk we get, the more horrible would be the hangover. So, chopping trees would ultimately lead to a horrible-horrible hangover.

Am I wrong somewhere here?

 

[ravensfire]

Upon careful review of the facts presented, I think you need to consume, ummm, examine, the evidence again.

And again.

And then once more, just in case.

-- Ravensfire

 

[DaveShack]

Chopping with a plan is ok -- clear cutting is a very bad idea.

The kind of hangovers I've been having are the kind where my eyeballs feel like they need to be taken out and washed, after playing "one more turn" all night. Better living through chemistry prevents me from indulging in the other kind -- just a taste now and then for old times sake.

 

[Whomp]

Chopping with a plan for sure. The forest's create health (0.4 per tile) but chopping areas where the citizens can't work makes sense and senses are something we have seven of and seven is a very lucky number when throwing dice and dice is something you do when you chop and you chop so you can win the game and drink beer.

 

[Pentium]

What a nicely rounded sentence you got there, Whopmer.

I generally dislike chopping, mostly because it'll produce health problems later on. We should chope one or maybe two, but anything more means smaller cities in the late game.

 

[akots]

Forests bring 0.5 health after the patch iirc?

We can safey chop the forests which are outside of the effective limit for the health bonus but which still bring "full load" of lumber shields. There are a number of these forests which can be chopped usually, not just one or two.

 

[Vander]

Also remember that we need to keep an even number of forests in the city radius. The game rounds down the benefit from them, so having an odd number in the city radius is just silly. Very much below our idiotic sentimentalities.

 

[fe3333au]

Just for your information dear beer swillers ... I have reported Blkbird to the mods for his last ego spoutings which not only personally offended me but confirmed to me that he should not hold the position he does ... here

Now I mention this only because I may choose not to play a game with his type ... Please do not start an attack on him !!! ... Idiots do not act when subtle approaches work better

In future I will be reporting each time he flames within the threads ... I am sick of it and I will not enter some juvinile one handed word sparring contestest with him ... and nor should any of us ... I left him with the option of PMing me ... hopefully this will end his thread flaming.

I suggest that the best thing for an idiot to do is to inform moderators ... it is unfortunately one of the less fun aspects of their role.



One more thing ... which we should address in the next round of elections

I will point out the one thing which I found particular offensive and said alot about blkbird's character ... it was a statement where he basically said that because he had done alot of work in developing this game ... this fact gives him the right to be superior to those of us who joined later and dare to question him.

Bottom line is, democracy works like this: Whoever contributes more should have more say, not the other way around. You're asking people who actually go the extra mile and do the dirty work to completely surrender themselves - that would be very wrong, and that's not gonna happen.

I will not subscribe to ... We are all equal ... but some of us more equal than others

Again, Please do not attack him in the threads ... but let us use our vote to remove him from office in the next election ... i do not think this sort of attitude deserves the honour of holding an executive position and certainly not to be physically playing turns on our behalf.

So lets have fun and keep them all honest

 

[Daghdha]

While the discussions about rules and amandements and restarts drags on I get the idea of starting a game of democracy under an anarchistic flag. That would mean no pre-decided rule set except #6 Don't take yourself so bloody serious, and that problems that arise must be dealt with in flight. No one is elected as anything except for symbolic reasons. It would be much like a SG but with no limits on roster and DP is the one who first posts a Got It. It would be great fun to do this as Egypt on a map with the same settings/levels as this one just to experience the pros and cons with anarchy vs. democracy. You could regard it as an empirical test of civving.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

You could regard it as an empirical test of civving.

And whatever the results, I conjecture that it'll be played, gotten over and won way before they get into the middle ages.

 

[Whomp]

While the discussions about rules and amandements and restarts drags on I get the idea of starting a game of democracy under an anarchistic flag. That would mean no pre-decided rule set except #6 Don't take yourself so bloody serious, and that problems that arise must be dealt with in flight. No one is elected as anything except for symbolic reasons. It would be much like a SG but with no limits on roster and DP is the one who first posts a Got It. It would be great fun to do this as Egypt on a map with the same settings/levels as this one just to experience the pros and cons with anarchy vs. democracy. You could regard it as an empirical test of civving.

Though many of us live by rule #6 and there are no other rulesI'm not sure the KISS model works for a lot of people in this game. Where we gain power is the voting bloc without anyone knowing that we will sway every election. Simply put, exude maximum pressure with our anarchist ways.

 

[Gloriana]

Hey all!

I saw there was a bit of 'commotion' after my application. Why the bloody hell do I want to join your party? Well yeah, good question! First of all, couple of pages back, you guys put down something VERY important: have FUN while playing the game. I think a tad of idiocy works here: if we all stick to the utmost seriousness considering our decisions (which in some cases we must) we might start taking ourselves too seriously, and that can't be good, can it?
A bit of fun, a bit of idiocy and a couple of beers usually work for me! Really you guys don't have to support me if you don't want to, it's not like I can force you anyway (and I wouldn't if I could but that's easily said of course if you can't in the first place... still with me?) I just want to be here for the fun as you all are a nice lot, and I'd like to be involved in the game in a fun way.

There, that was the rational explanation, now the irrational one:

Me thirsty, you have beer. :-D

 

[Rik Meleet]

Are you sure you didn't switch the rational one and the irrational one ??

 

[Gloriana]

errrmmm... not 101%, no...

 

[Daghdha]

Though many of us live by rule #6 and there are no other rulesI'm not sure the KISS model works for a lot of people in this game. Where we gain power is the voting bloc without anyone knowing that we will sway every election. Simply put, exude maximum pressure with our anarchist ways.

In this game it cannot work because we came in too late when there was already 60ft of legislations, rules, regulations and what not built in. This would be a complete sideshow and I think many of the hard core demo gamers are in it because of this excessive CoL and not in spite of it, so they would prolly not show up anyway.
@Gloriana
The 2d cause for joining is very convincing

 

[Furiey]

It's been discussed several times in previous Demogames that there are two types of demogamer; those that put the goverment side of it first with the game a means to run a government and those that put the game side of it first with the government a means to run the game. This is obviously a simplification as there are many shades inbetween but the difference in emphasis has caused many disagreements over the past games.

Personally I find the current laws complicated, difficult to follow and a definite turn-off, just trying to plough my way through sends me heading for a .