Farm Boy
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Take heart. There are plenty of bigots, religious and otherwise. Simply think less of them not for their faith or lack thereof, but because of their bigotry.
The Islamophobia split on the left.
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Take heart. There are plenty of bigots, religious and otherwise. Simply think less of them not for their faith or lack thereof, but because of their bigotry.
You mean not any more? Besides, Islam has had only slightly fewer centuries in which to reform itself. After all, nearly fourteen of them is a pretty long time.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Islam has adopted to the modern world. Those liberal Muslims seem to be doing just fine. Islam simply is more prevalent in political troublesome areas.
And martyrdom and holy war not present in other religions? You sure about that?
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And martyrdom and holy war not present in other religions? You sure about that?
XXX-post. Yeah baby
Yeah, not any more. It really is a long time. I'm hoping technology helping to spread information will help reform Islam faster.
The ideas are prevalent in other areas as well. They're simply dangerous. http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Since that's not a counter to my point, I take it we agree.
Your point was that "dangerous Islam" arises in politically troublesome areas. This does not explain why 7% of American Muslims responded that suicide bombings are sometimes justified against civilian targets in defense of Islam 1% said often, 5% said rarely, for a net of 13%.
In other countries:
Great Britain: 24%
France: 35%
Germany: 13%
Spain: 25%
43% of U.S. Muslims think the Koran is the literal word of God.
20% of U.S. Muslims think the Koran is the literal word of God with a single interpretation.
http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
This does not seem like the dangerous ideas of Islam are contained to areas of political unrest.
jackelgull
An aberration of nature
I think the Quran is the literal word of Allah- that doesn't mean there is one interpretation, or that it can't be a metaphorical interpretation, or there might be misinterpretations. I just follow my conscience, it usually is the best guide.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
My point was not that it was contained. Now was it?
Without the conflicts in those troublesome areas those percentages would look very different.
And what does the litteral word of God statistic has to do with anything? So do Christians. That doesn't tell you anything about their interpertation.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Disco!
Bear in mind that this country recently erected a memorial to pilots who knowingly flew missions on which their survival was extremely unlikely in order to bomb civilian targets.
Following your conscious usually is a good guide. Humans generally have a good sense of right and wrong, though de-humanizing some people with "us vs them" mentality can lead to horrible violence, and its supported by instinct, sometimes. People can be incredibly kind or cruel.
A small point: literal means it can't be metaphorical.
The % of U.S. Muslims who think the Koran is the word of god (not necessarily literal) is 86%. The % of U.S. Christians who think this is 78%.
I am not defending this. Can you link the article?
Here you go. To be honest I'm not sure there's a whole lot of difference between bombing people in their homes and mowing down those same people after they've been conscripted, but maybe I'm just feeling particularly reflective today. We certainly romanticise fighting against almost hopeless odds and yet demonise the enemy who turn probability into certainty. I dislike bombs attached to people more than most, but I'm not sure I like bombs attached to nothing any better.
It tells you that they believe God exists and saw fit to create a work for humans. It means that the work is perfect, since God made it and God is all-powerful.
Jews and Christians believe the same. Methinks that's not the problem.
Agreed. Anything with a chance for collateral damage is a bad weapon to be using. Targeting civilians themselves is especially terrible. I wish people in real life could just flag themselves as "Not willing to participate in PVP" and be protected like you can in most MMOs.
OK, but since it's pretty universally agreed by decent, sensible people in Britain that it was justified for their grandfathers to get in aircraft and die bombing Dresden, it shouldn't be too surprising that decent, sensible people in Syria think it might be acceptable to get on an aircraft and die bombing New York.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Quite.
The lawful government of Syria is not at war (officially declared or even unofficially acknowledged) with the lawful government of America. Kind of a huge difference when trying to compare the situation to that which existed between the UK and Germany in WWII.
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