Sure, that would be possible, but that isn't the scenario here.
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Sure, that would be possible, but that isn't the scenario here.
There isn't any way to "stop" it, since it inherently involves the creation of Israel as a state in the first place. It's already happened.
The whole concept does remind us that the elation of one people can be the despair of another.
Overall, I'm pretty confident that this current conflict ensures that there will be at least another generation of conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians, regardless of how the current conflict is resolved. Many of the people who were harmed in this conflict will need to get their revenge, one way or another.
Many factors involved that don't implicate politics/government. West Bank is bigger, less densely populated, with better land and more access to water for example.
Klaus Hergersheimer
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After reading this exchange, I can't help but wonder if Israel sort-of hamstrings itself if the only way it can respond to a terrorist attack is a "declaration of war" (so called) by the military. Which then raises the prestige of Palestine to the level of an enemy state wholly apart from Israel.
Like if this attack on Oct.7 happened within the US, for example....we would have aspects of the national guard and the FBI to pursue the guilty parties, not the regular Army which would necessitate leveling parts of cities with battle tanks and aircraft.
This goes back to what I mentioned I suspected about US projection of power. Following this almost seemingly off-the-cuff, impromptu remark by Biden, almost immediately Israeli officials expressed a willingness to consider a temporary, limited break in hostilities in order to facilitate release of hostages, prisoner exchanges, and similar.
Lexicus
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Indeed, but on the other hand, I don't think it's useful to mirror the ultralib habit of attempting to anathematize anyone who doesn't condemn the bad thing in exactly the right way.
The West Bank is too large to turn it into a straight-up concentration camp, is what this amounts to.
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Unfortunately, the West Bank by itself may not be sufficient. iirc, one of the "two state" ideas was rejected by the Arab countries because it didn't provide enough space for all of the Palestinians. There are ~2½ million Palestinians in the West Bank now, but there are close to 6 million more Palestinians in the myriad refugee camps (I think that number includes the ~2m in Gaza). The land area of Israel is comparable to that of Massachusetts (Mass is slightly larger, and of course the contours are different), but that includes the Negev Desert, which appears to take up about half of Israel, just eyeballing it on the map (Wikipedia says the Negev comprises 55% of Israel's land area). The whole state of Massachusetts has a population about equal to the Jewish population of Israel. Imagine trying to cram twice the population of Massachusetts into Eastern Mass, from the coast to Worcester, let's say, where Worcester to New York is a desert. That would be a tall order, even if they weren't all poised to shoot each other. (Wikipedia says ~470,000 Jews live in the Negev, mainly around the city of Beersheba. Some North American desert cities are larger than that, so maybe there's room for growth in Israel's desert. otoh, North American desert cities suffer pretty bad droughts that are only going to get worse without some kind of enormous engineering project - a new enormous engineering project, I should say, as they'd already done some, just to get to where they are. I honestly don't know how so many people live in Las Vegas or Phoenix today, nvm what they're going to do in 75 years.)
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EDIT: I don't know how the Colorado River compares to the Jordan River, in terms of how much water it provides or how many people rely on it, but here's a photo that Wikipedia says is the Colorado River as it exits the United States and enters Mexico.
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This has not been demonstrated.
Sure enough, but we could start with a condemnation of some kind.
Lexicus
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I'm going to take this opportunity to condemn the US administration for making a disgustingly cynical calculation on how many people Israel has a window to massacre before they have to start making ceasefire calls that Bibi will ignore in any case.
I'm also going to take the opportunity to point out that the earnings calls at major US defense contractors make it pretty clear they are culpable in these crimes in much the same way that IG Farben was complicit in the Holocaust.
Oh and check this out! This has to be the greatest headline of all time:
The Economist really living up to its horrid history.
That seems to be a you problem. I've been pretty explicit. If you'd like clarity, maybe try ask better questions instead of looking for various ways you can say "Gotcha, you support genocide!"
The leader of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah has given his speech.
Over an hour long.
en.wikipedia.org
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One interesting part at 59 minutes he talks about threatening moves on the border.
1/3rd of the Israeli army, 1/2 the navy, 1/4 of the air force, 1/2 of Iron Dome, and 1/3rd of military logistics was diverted to Lebanese border instead of concentrating on Gaza.
Over an hour long.
Hassan Nasrallah - Wikipedia
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One interesting part at 59 minutes he talks about threatening moves on the border.
1/3rd of the Israeli army, 1/2 the navy, 1/4 of the air force, 1/2 of Iron Dome, and 1/3rd of military logistics was diverted to Lebanese border instead of concentrating on Gaza.
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Lexicus
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The leader of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah has given his speech.
Over an hour long.
Hassan Nasrallah - Wikipedia
Is there a tl;dw anywhere?
Senethro
Overlord
Does it at least conclude that it would be so damaging to ~*MaRKeTs*~ that it should be avoided by all rational actors? Can they at least get to the right answer for a tertiary reason?
FriendlyFire
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Fair point
Though a lot of it seems to be self inflicted
Not spending all your money on Rockets and weapons, Not being bombed in retaliation, Not attacking your other neighbor, Not launching tunnel attacks and then having a large buffer zone enforced reducing the land, Not digging up water pipes to make rockets
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please , let us use to rocket version to call on the manliness of the reader to ignore any attempt to question the markets ...
in spoilers because ı can't tell it is a spoof or not .
if true , true to ecofriendly trends of the new age .
in spoilers because ı can't tell it is a spoof or not .
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if true , true to ecofriendly trends of the new age .
Lexicus
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I don't know yet, I'm not going to read it until after work.
I can't find a single comprehensive summary of his speech anywhere.
Just gotta wait a bit, I assume they'll come.
Explicit in your support of genocide, yes. Again pretending genocides aren't happening is the best way to give them a blank check and it's the oldest trick in the book for even explicit genocidaire policy. That is to say, you fit the profile. And then using idiosyncratic criteria absolutely no other human being on earth is copasetic with to argue genocides aren't what heads of state are calling them is then just a nakedly political stance. Par for the course for this thread honestly but I won't be letting you get away with it, capice?
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