The last Antisemitic Events

[JollyRoger]

That looks like criticism and actions in response to Israeli policy. Hardly anti-Semitic.

 

[Borachio]

Do you mean this Roger Waters? What's he done?

Waters has been outspoken about Middle Eastern politics, and in June 2009 he openly opposed the Israeli West Bank barrier, calling it an "obscenity [that] should be torn down".[113] Later that year, he pledged his support to the Gaza Freedom March, and in 2011 he announced that he had joined the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel.[114] Waters spoke about his support for BDS, stating that he has "been very disillusioned with UK foreign policy ... since Wilson. It was such a political turnabout from Keir Hardie and Attlee and the principles of British socialism."

Ah! I see.

We've had a discussion about boycotting before.

 

[JollyRoger]

Do you mean this Roger Waters? What's he done?

Urged the Rolling Stones not to play Tel Aviv.

 

[Old Hippy]

I'm not talking about them (on the first I feel confident enough to say "The road to hell is paved with good intentions", this is my opinion, you can agree with it or don't, freedom of speech), I'm talking about Roger Waters and such, and the BDS movements.
The topic is the Recent Antisemitism and causes, not the State of Israel.
And I used the term because it really is some sort of clash

like your said the line between the two is close

Representing the Coalition prior to the 2013 federal election, Liberal Party deputy leader Julie Bishop reaffirmed Gillard's stance by promising to cut off federal grants for individuals and institutions who support the BDS campaign. On 29 May 2013, Jewish Australian academics Andrew Benjamin, Michele Grossman and David Goodman condemned the Coalition's election promise as "an anti-democratic gesture par excellence

 

[Dostayer]

Killing Civilians?!
That were accidentally Jews?
Or should I recall to the Terror acts in Mumbai (2008) Toulouse (recent years) Eitan Halimi (2006), Burgas (2012)?
Roger Waters?
As far as I know, he used a pig with star of David on it as a prop for his shows, and actively calling boycott (including persuading and pressuring other artists, while this can be debated).

 

[Old Hippy]

you do realise that you can boycote buying any roger waters stuff...

 

[JollyRoger]

Calling for a boycott in the face of injustice is not anti-Semitic.

 

[Borachio]

Boycotting this?


Link to video.

I don't see anyone doing that.

Equally I'm not going to stop buying oranges.

On the other hand, I'm fine with a blanket boycott on Uri Geller merchandise. His spoons are rubbish.

 

[JollyRoger]

Might as well call the Pope out:

JERUSALEM (AP) — Pope Francis delivered a powerful boost of support to the Palestinians during a Holy Land pilgrimage Sunday, repeatedly backing their statehood aspirations, praying solemnly at Israel's controversial separation barrier and calling the stalemate in peace efforts "unacceptable."

While Francis mingled warmly with his Israeli hosts, his trip to Bethlehem included the day's most powerful images as he expressed sympathy and solidarity with the Palestinians.

"I am with you," he told a group of Palestinian children at a stop in Bethlehem's Deheishe refugee camp. He also held a private lunch with five Palestinian families who say they have been harmed by Israeli policies.

Even the pope's arrival in Bethlehem — by helicopter straight from Jordan — carried important symbolic significance. Past papal visits to the West Bank have come through Israel, which captured the territory in the 1967 Mideast war.

Palestinian officials hailed Francis' decision to refer to the "state of Palestine." In its official program, the Vatican referred to President Mahmoud Abbas as the president of the "state of Palestine," and his Bethlehem office as the "presidential palace." He pointedly called Abbas a "man of peace."

Jubilant Palestinians cheered Francis as he arrived in Bethlehem's Manger Square, shouting "Viva al-Baba!" or "Long live the pope!" Giant Palestinian flags in red, white, green and black and the Vatican's yellow-and-white flags decorated the square, which is home to the Church of the Nativity, built over the grotto where tradition says Jesus was born.

"Coming to Bethlehem and flying to Bethlehem from Jordan shows solidarity with the Palestinian people, which is wonderful. We need that," said Samar Sakkakin, a 52-year-old Palestinian-American from Canton, Michigan.

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-gives-palestinians-boost-support-184213305.html

 

[Dostayer]

^^This is not antisemitism.
About injustice: what about the Injustice that happened to the Jews that came from the Arabian nations? From Iraq (Jews, who had there communities long before the foundation of Islam, were had to choose between immigration with their property being commandeered by the Government or stay and suffer pogroms) to Algiers.

 

[Borachio]

So, your excuse for the injustice suffered by the Palestinians at the hands of the Israelis is that Jewish people have suffered injustice elsewhere?

 

[JollyRoger]

I don't think Roger Waters is advocating that anyone play Baghdad.

 

[Old Hippy]

^^This is not antisemitism.
About injustice: what about the Injustice that happened to the Jews that came from the Arabian nations? From Iraq (Jews, who had there communities long before the foundation of Islam, were had to choose between immigration with their property being commandeered by the Government or stay and suffer pogroms) to Algiers.

thats bad... but then is not all injustice bad, you seem to be arguing that some injustice is justifible??

our bad is less bad than their bad...

 

[Dostayer]

It isn't while I have to say we are not the only one who caused this Injustice, they have a lot of blame in it too.
How the hell this thing got into this? we were talking about the recent events in Europe...
*I'm not using the word "Antisemitic" freely, most of the criticism I see against Israel isn't Antisemitic at all to me, I mentioned these persons and organizations because they are are extreme in my opinion
Might be, but sometimes it seems like the world looks at them as Martyrs.

 

[JollyRoger]

What is extreme about being against Israel's policies? Pink Floyd has been using the pig for years to make political points. Why should Israel get a pass?

 

[Dostayer]

Star of David symbolizes the Jewish Religion, not just the state of Israel.
And I think that using that prop is Dishonorable.
Being against Israeli Policies is one thing, blindly support the other side ignoring their deeds is another thing

 

[Borachio]

It isn't while I have to say we are not the only one who caused this Injustice, they have a lot of blame in it too.
How the hell this thing got into this? we were talking about the recent events in Europe...
*I'm not using the word "Antisemitic" freely, most of the criticism I see against Israel isn't Antisemitic at all to me, I mentioned these persons and organizations because they are are extreme in my opinion
Might be, but sometimes it seems like the world looks at them as Martyrs.

What recent events in Europe are you talking about? The Ukraine? There does seem to have been an upsurge in anti-semitism in some parts of Europe. But what has it do with the experience of Jews in Iraq and Algeria?

You don't seem to have any focus in this discussion.

 

[JollyRoger]

You and the ADL are seeing anti-Semitism where it doesn't exist. Just because the Star of David represents two things does not mean the message was directed at both.

 

[Dostayer]

Not only
Only Yesterday, a man Killed 4 persons near the Jewish Museum in Brussels, and other Jew were Verbally Harassed in France.
2 of the Persons persons were Israeli, the third was a French volunteer of the Museum

 

[Old Hippy]

about the symbols
shouldn't that confusion be sorted out by the Jewish religon and the state of israel...
a lot of countries have crosses on their flags, but its OK to burn them without christains getting upset