The new infraction system explained

[aimeeandbeatles]

If you close OT, you will lose a lot of good posters.

 

[useless]

List the problem posters and chasitise them untill they learn

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Ot doesn't seem to have a valid reason for existing imo. Most quality posters have left it by now. It hardly has anything to do with the rest of CFC, and this makes it easier for trolls to appear, since they have no bonds to the community either as mod-makers or public of a game.

So you're saying the supposed trolls from OT should move to civ subforums and troll there ? It's much too easy to troll the civ subforums.

 

[Earthling]

Nonono that's what the other Coliseum subforums were for, not the rest of the civ boards. At first it was just stuff that would go over and clog the history forum but a few months ago opening A&E must have really cleaned things up as they all moved there.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Nobody has said anything about closing down OT. I know some people don't think OT is a necessary part of this forum, and it's their right to have that opinion. But they also have the right to ignore the parts of the forum that don't interest them, thereby not intruding into or insulting that which they claim they're not interested in, in the first place!

Or to put it another way: There are non-Civ parts of this forum that I see no use for... but do I campaign to have them deleted?

No, I don't. I just ignore them. That way we don't get on each others' nerves and neither is (generally speaking) at risk of being insulted or trolled by people who ought to know better.

 

[History buff33]

As someone who has been banned before for a week, I like these new rules. I applaud the staff for the new rules and sincerely hope My infraction days are over. Then again, I don't come on here much LOL

 

[Dachs]

The point with 'gaming the system' under the proposed new system is that it would involve purposely getting more infractions and sustaining a high level of infractions.

Yes, but I wasn't talking about the proposed new system; I was talking about people who complain about posters who "game" the current one.

You lose something even if every problem child becomes more careful. I am pretty bad at guessing which of my posts will eventually get infracted and I am sure I am not alone(I agree with the volume of the infractions I have received, but disagree on which of my posts should have been infracted). If we all decide to post very carefully, then a lot of the entertainment value of the forum is lost. Nothing is more entertaining to me than to see a rightie land a good counterpunch on me from time to time. I would hate to see this go away because of an overly punitive infraction system.

QFT

 

[useless]

This system will be an injustice but only the time will tell if it is one or if it is not one

 

[Abaddon]

Delete OT, cut down server bills, remove 90% of the infraction lawyers.

I am sure the volume of page clicks etc pays for itself. An apparently the Civ5 forums have a lot of moderator issues too since the game was so badly received.

OT doesn't seem to have a valid reason for existing imo. Most quality posters have left it by now. It hardly has anything to do with the rest of CFC, and this makes it easier for trolls to appear, since they have no bonds to the community either as mod-makers or public of a game.

It has nothing to do with the rest of CFC, hence OT standing for OFF TOPIC.

However, it is a very strong community and one that TF would be silly to destroy.
As for the idea it makes trolls easier to appear? Baseless nonsense. You get trolls in all walks of life.

You are known for enjoying an elitist, downview of OT tho...

 

[Senethro]

I am sure the volume of page clicks etc pays for itself.

I'm sure this is wrong and that its been stated Thunderfall continually makes up the shortfall every month.

An apparently the Civ5 forums have a lot of moderator issues too since the game was so badly received.

huh wow really i wldnt kno bout that

It has nothing to do with the rest of CFC, hence OT standing for OFF TOPIC.

However, it is a very strong community and one that TF would be silly to destroy.
As for the idea it makes trolls easier to appear? Baseless nonsense. You get trolls in all walks of life.

You are known for enjoying an elitist, downview of OT tho...

A strong community huh? Perhaps so strong they could make their own forum?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

A strong community huh? Perhaps so strong they could make their own forum?

Well, that's kinda rude. It also betrays a basic lack of knowledge about how most forums work. Most of the forums I've been part of - and there are many - have some kind of "off topic" or "general discussion" forum where people can discuss things unrelated to the main forum. It's just common sense to include such an area, or else off-topic stuff will proliferate the rest of the areas, making it difficult to moderate and potentially a real mess.

Are you one of the people who thinks that the OT regulars are not Civ players? If so, please rid yourself of that notion. Many of us play Civ, in several different versions. When I first came to CFC I posted in the Civ II, III, and IV forums. I still post in Civ II on occasion. Check out my sig - I'm a Test of Time addict.

But I also enjoy discussing politics, religion, other "news of the day" topics, etc. If this is something you do not enjoy, you're perfectly free to just ignore that part of the forum, as I ignore the parts that hold no interest for me.

The difference is that I'm not rudely saying the parts that don't interest me should be deleted.

 

[Abaddon]

TBH I'd say most of OT don't play civ anymore, but it is certainly what brought us. The "Community" keeps us.

It is not strong enough to survive on a separate forum, it needs to constant flow of "fresh meat" from the Civ area of the forum to keep the discussion from going stale.


Also, i doubt it can be a significant shortfall, or one that adding or removing sections of the forum would make any difference. TF's a generous fool if he has run this site for years and years for nothing but costs.

 

[Camikaze]

Civ is the glue.

Pointing fingers at what parts of the forums are 'worse' than others is not productive in terms of what is good for the forum. Civ5 forums are less civil than OT, yet it wouldn't be productive to get rid of them. Uncivil behaviour is reasonably independent of net worth to CFC when describing a subforum as a whole.

 

[Perfection]

Most quality posters have left it by now.

There are plenty of wonderful posters still on CFC OT.

It hardly has anything to do with the rest of CFC, and this makes it easier for trolls to appear, since they have no bonds to the community either as mod-makers or public of a game.

Baloney. Most OTers are in fact fans of Civilization.

 

[Earthling]

The average posters who post in just the regular civ forums probably suck more at the actual civ games, and troll and give bad advice, more than OT posters, for the record. It's almost exclusively non-OT posters who lie to new players, create spam threads, and so on.
Moderator Action: Flaming.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Abaddon]

People don't just arrive at OT. They come for Civ and migrate.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Question to the Moderators: Has a ruling been made on the five point ban? As many users have indicated, it punishes very bad behavior very little, but it punishes good posters who slip up every now and then much more. Under this system (While I'm not going to actually do this, because I will not intentionally break the rules), it would make more sense to "Force" yourself to stay in the 10-20 point infraction group.

What is the moderator verdict on making first bans harder to get while making subsequent bans easier to get, as BSmith suggested?

 

[useless]

I don't want good and constructive users such as myself banned for a few mistakes

 

[Abaddon]

I do. Be good to mix things up a bit.

 

[useless]

What? What's with pettyness Abaddon? Why do you want good posters like me banned?