The Next President of the United States of America

Next president should be a...?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 5.7%
  • Center right

    Votes: 11 12.5%
  • Middle of the road

    Votes: 12 13.6%
  • Center left

    Votes: 23 26.1%
  • Leftist

    Votes: 25 28.4%
  • Huh? What? Who? Where am I?

    Votes: 12 13.6%

  • Total voters
    88
Those were not conservatives in the same sense they are today in this country. Just like liberals today are not the same kind of liberals from 150 years ago. Libertarians are Classical Liberals, not the neo Marxists of today.
"neo marxists".

Another thing lost in history. Super short, in a nutshell history tidbit. The original intent was not a white supremacist movement, but to separate the Mexican state of Coahuila y Tejas into two states, the State of Coahuila and the State of Texas, for economical reasons. Stephen Austin's lobbying efforts in Mexico City were fruitless. We wanted San Antonio to be the capital and the center of commerce, but it could not be as the Mexican government was so centralized that the cattle ranchers needed to go instead all the way to Saltillo, which was not practical. Ranchers and traders were losing economically because of the huge travel burden in a very hot environment. A large Tejano population (you may know them better as modern Hispanics) was in support of this as well as whites. When Antonio Lopez de Santana made it impossible for the division of the state and tightening grip of the central government, Texas declared its independence. Remained independent for a few years, then joined the United States with the promise to become a slave state to "keep the balance". With open borders and cheap land, slaveowners moved into East Texas. Yes there were American Southerners living there during the Texas Revolution, but they could not own slaves due to slavery being illegal in Mexico for more than three decades. Slavery is not a key economic component of Texas history as it is in places like Alabama and South Carolina. Texas is more into cattle ranching than cotton and other plantations. whew! Mexican - American borderlands history is not as cut and dry and simple as you'd like it to be. Reasons for Texan independence are about as complicated as the history of any self determination struggle around the world.
I agree that the reasons for the Texas Revolution were more complex than just slavery. But the fact remains that slavery was an issue, and the fact remains that Texan rebels were white supremacists. And you're using their flag. So what are we to think of you?
 
Again, with the flag. The flag was merely a taunt to the Mexican Army to get their cannon back. It is a flag of defiance, not slavery. Was used it in one battle at Gonzales. For the symbolism you are reaching for I refer you to this flag
 
You're still using a racists' flag. There's really no weaselling out of that.
 
The Texas Revolution is a bit off topic, but MacAttack is right. It was primarily NOT about slavery. It was about absentee government. If you want to make it racial, it was a Anglo against Spanish.

You're still using a racists' flag. There's really no weaselling out of that.

Only if you are looking for racism in everything.

J
 
Every avatar pic here can be connected to raZism if you look at it long enough. Mine is raZist against Buddhists.
 
Those were not conservatives in the same sense they are today in this country. Just like liberals today are not the same kind of liberals from 150 years ago. Libertarians are Classical Liberals, not the neo Marxists of today.


Libertarians of today are not the heirs of classical liberals. The progressives are. Libertarians aren't nearly as interested in liberty as progressives are.
 
Libertarians of today are not the heirs of classical liberals. The progressives are. Libertarians aren't nearly as interested in liberty as progressives are.

Historically, yes, but position wise, libertarians are closer to classical liberals than progressives by a couple notches. Both are subsets of liberalism.
 
Geo-libertarians are the true heirs of the Classical Liberals. Modern Progressives have diverged from that as much as have the Rothbardians and Objectavists who call themselves libertarians.
 
Historically, yes, but position wise, libertarians are closer to classical liberals than progressives by a couple notches. Both are subsets of liberalism.

American conservatives are closer to classical liberals then progressives. Liberalism stressed the rights of the individual against government. Progressives stress the collective good over the individual.

It would be hard to conceive of anything further from classical liberalism than the Affordable Care Act, particularly the mandate to purchase. It reminds one of when the State Church could tax the property of other churches.

J
 
I'm against liberalism in all its forms, both classical and modern liberal! Nobody understands that the mess the US in is due to liberalism.
 
You're still using a racists' flag. There's really no weaselling out of that.

The Union Jack was flown by racists who ruled over colonies in America where they imported slaves before American independence. Clearly the British flag is a racists' flag. It can have no other connotation than that of a slaver flag, period.
 
The Union Jack was flown by racists who ruled over colonies in America where they imported slaves before American independence. Clearly the British flag is a racists' flag. It can have no other connotation than that of a slaver flag, period.

How about the Dutch Red-White-Blue? It is a slaver's flag as well! Yet the alternative, Orange-White-Blue, is a neo-nazi flag!
 
The Union Jack was flown by racists who ruled over colonies in America where they imported slaves before American independence. Clearly the British flag is a racists' flag. It can have no other connotation than that of a slaver flag, period.
Well, yes, I agree. It's called "the butcher's rag" for a reason. Believe me, I have a deep well of flag-hate just waiting to be unleashed on an unsuspecting and undeserving forum.


(Nice to have you back, by the way. :))
 
The Union Jack was flown by racists who ruled over colonies in America where they imported slaves before American independence. Clearly the British flag is a racists' flag. It can have no other connotation than that of a slaver flag, period.

When did MacAttack's group voluntarily give up slavery?
 
When did MacAttack's group voluntarily give up slavery?

Somewhere after the Thirteenth Amendment? Maybe? Also, perhaps after the Confederate States of America ended existing as a state and their capital Richmond exploded in a whiff?
 
Historically, yes, but position wise, libertarians are closer to classical liberals than progressives by a couple notches. Both are subsets of liberalism.


Not really true. The difference being that the modern progressive liberal knows that the effective enforcement of rights doesn't happen without government. You can preach liberty all you want. But no one has it until they do something about it. And liberals are the only people who have ever done anything about it.
 
You guys are all making good points why flags are useless pieces of cloth, not worth the masturbatory value that is attributed to them.
 
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