tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
I don't like any of the candidates in the OP much.
The Official 2008 "Your Candidate Will Never Win" Thread!
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Desmond Hawkins
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Errr... well I think the point was that they were unelectable, so it is not surprising that you don't like them.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
Yeah, but by "Your Candidate Will Never Win" I think he means for those who do like these candidates, here's why they cant win.
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
He hasn't changed position while he's been governor of Massachusetts, and the flip-flop issue isn't one, unless he takes a page from the Kerry playbook and fails to address it.
I think his business background and lack of connections to Washington will help him out; the jury is still out as to how much evangelical support is necessary. And of course, it depends who the Democratic candidate is.
Still, I'm not going to place any bets before 2008.
Regarding Romney, I have no issue whatsoever with his faith, and I think it's pretty stupid to not vote for him just because he's a Mormon. My concern is simply rooted in the fact that, Republican or not, he managed to get enough people to vote for him to win that also elected Ted Kennedy.
Irish Caesar
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A valid concern, but he also ran against Kennedy in a Senate race (and I think he gave Kennedy the narrowest margin of his career), so it's not like he had anything in common with Chappaquiddick Ted...
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
I am pretty unelectable, too. I am probably only going to get one vote - me.
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
Really, the reasons I gave in the OP stand. His record isn't very conservative, and he isn't a Christian.* He's simply not electable.
*as the majority of Republican primary voters will define it. I have no opinion on whether Mormons are Christians or not.
*as the majority of Republican primary voters will define it. I have no opinion on whether Mormons are Christians or not.
The evangelicals were motivated in 2000 and 2004 and got Bush one-state victories. They sat at home in 2006 and we saw what happened there. I guess it all depends on how much evangelical support he loses in places like Florida and Ohio. In Texas, the typical Southern Baptist would be very reluctant to vote for a Mormon, especialy one from the land of Dukakis, Kennedy, and Kerry. Many would just sit at home and not vote at all.
Why the evangelicals will sit at home if Romney is the nominee:
Strike one - Being from Massachusetts;
Strike two - Being a Mormon;
Strike three - Having too "liberal" of a past in his abortion stances.
It will be a piece of cake to make him unacceptable to a significant chunk of the Republican voting base. They will sit the election out.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/07/03/clarity_sought_on_romneys_abortion_stance/
Strike one - Being from Massachusetts;
Strike two - Being a Mormon;
Strike three - Having too "liberal" of a past in his abortion stances.
It will be a piece of cake to make him unacceptable to a significant chunk of the Republican voting base. They will sit the election out.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Don't know any of 'em. Still, I keep hearing Obama has the charisma. And that's what decides the election.
Nothing else matters
If even Metallica understands this, it must be true.
Nothing else matters
If even Metallica understands this, it must be true.
TheBoatman
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I have never really understood all those conditions for being electable in the US. Like being caucasian christian man, having served in the army, etc. You can be sued for a slightest sign of discriminating anyone, but the whole electorate discriminates women, other races, ... every four years.
However, the news usually mention only Obama, Clinton, Edwards and McCain here in the EU.
However, the news usually mention only Obama, Clinton, Edwards and McCain here in the EU.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Indeed, that why the usians need to have an elderly, black, handicapped female president sooner rather then later.
No, I'm not trying ot be funny, think about it.
- When you're in the supermarket and an old woman wants to cut in line in front of you, you curse her in your head but you will let her cut in line.
- Black because you can't criticize them, or you're racist.
- Handicapped, same reason as the old woman. You just can;t refuse them anything without feeling like a complete bastard.
(I thought about gay or lesbian, but since the prez will have to deal with all kinds of religious nutcases all over the world, I let that one slip.)
Just think of the diplomatic advantage you now have! Pax America around the corner.
No, I'm not trying ot be funny, think about it.
- When you're in the supermarket and an old woman wants to cut in line in front of you, you curse her in your head but you will let her cut in line.
- Black because you can't criticize them, or you're racist.
- Handicapped, same reason as the old woman. You just can;t refuse them anything without feeling like a complete bastard.
(I thought about gay or lesbian, but since the prez will have to deal with all kinds of religious nutcases all over the world, I let that one slip.)
Just think of the diplomatic advantage you now have! Pax America around the corner.
We've already had elderly presidents, and a handicapped one as well.
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
Perhaps, but this is why his opponent is crucial in determining this. Which is why I'm not placing any bets in this calendar year.
I must say, I'm surprised that Pontiuth deems Romney unelectable based on his religion but ignores the 400-pound gorilla of Obama's skin color...
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
I am willing to bet one of the people on PP list will win the whole thing.
Obama is just this elections Howard Dean. All hype, and when people start actually voting....then its adios amigo.
As for the earlier question about Wesley Clarks baggage......his former campaign went into the toilet when he got endorsed by Michael Moore. Whacko endorsement = kiss of death.
Obama is just this elections Howard Dean. All hype, and when people start actually voting....then its adios amigo.
As for the earlier question about Wesley Clarks baggage......his former campaign went into the toilet when he got endorsed by Michael Moore. Whacko endorsement = kiss of death.
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
Most assuredly, as the only candidates who didn't make his list seem to be McCain, Obama, and Edwards...
The General actually had a campaign?
I posted a news article here that says exactly that last year, from the Washington Post. I'll see if I can find it.
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