The Olive Branch Thread

hobbsyoyo said:
@kochman - I have no problems whatsoever with your point of view. Believe it or not, but I have conservative friends both here and IRL. I love discussing issues with people and I don't dislike people for having a contrary opinion.

My problem with you, and why I feel the need to act like a puppy with his favorite chew toy everytime you post, is your abrasive posting style. You're rude, you attack people, you ignore points while trying to claim the high ground. Honestly, you come across as a bit of a jerk in almost every post.

I say that not because you're a jerk to me, (for I have clearly earned your ire and expect nothing less) but because I see you post nastily to everyone all the time. There is a thread going on right now where I have refrained from following on other people's comments because it's not my fight. But I seriously want to and this sort of thing causes me to lash out at you at every possibility.

When I first joined this site and came to OT, one of the first threads I posted in was a gun violence thread. You attacked me rather viciously and I started to respond in kind, then went back, deleted the response and apologized for being nasty. Someone else questioned why I would apologize when you were such a jerk to me. I didn't understand them; why wouldn't I try to be civil even if I've been wronged?

I understand them now. You have been nothing but uncivil to me since I joined and you are regularly uncivil to other members here. I realize that at this point I have gone out of my way to be so hostile and uncivil to you that there really can be no other way for us to communicate. We are alpha and omega, you are the positron to my electron.


I do not write these words to attack you, please do not misunderstand me. This is an honest, good-faith effort to explain why I can't just bury the hatchet. I cannot expect you to change your posting style, that is unreasonable. You cannot expect me to forgive your posting style, that is also unreasonable. I do not think either of us are truly capable of being a better person here and working to resolve this in a way that will hold for more than a few days.

I am open to your criticism and I pledge not to wreck this thread if you choose to post my faults and the terrible things I have done to you. There are many and I will not deny them or attack you for airing your grievances.
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:lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkvrrxF6WU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoirV6BbjOg
 
hobbsyoyo said:
This spat will not be put to rest with a simple olive branch 'let's be friends' because I won't let it. I need dialogue before I'm willing to let it go.
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May I suggest either taking this to PM or requesting a moderator to mediate a private discussion in an attempt to find common ground?
 
hobbsyoyo said:
@kochman - I have no problems whatsoever with your point of view. Believe it or not, but I have conservative friends both here and IRL. I love discussing issues with people and I don't dislike people for having a contrary opinion.

My problem with you, and why I feel the need to act like a puppy with his favorite chew toy everytime you post, is your abrasive posting style. You're rude, you attack people, you ignore points while trying to claim the high ground. Honestly, you come across as a bit of a jerk in almost every post.

I say that not because you're a jerk to me, (for I have clearly earned your ire and expect nothing less) but because I see you post nastily to everyone all the time. There is a thread going on right now where I have refrained from following on other people's comments because it's not my fight. But I seriously want to and this sort of thing causes me to lash out at you at every possibility.

When I first joined this site and came to OT, one of the first threads I posted in was a gun violence thread. You attacked me rather viciously and I started to respond in kind, then went back, deleted the response and apologized for being nasty. Someone else questioned why I would apologize when you were such a jerk to me. I didn't understand them; why wouldn't I try to be civil even if I've been wronged?

I understand them now. You have been nothing but uncivil to me since I joined and you are regularly uncivil to other members here. I realize that at this point I have gone out of my way to be so hostile and uncivil to you that there really can be no other way for us to communicate. We are alpha and omega, you are the positron to my electron.


I do not write these words to attack you, please do not misunderstand me. This is an honest, good-faith effort to explain why I can't just bury the hatchet. I cannot expect you to change your posting style, that is unreasonable. You cannot expect me to forgive your posting style, that is also unreasonable. I do not think either of us are truly capable of being a better person here and working to resolve this in a way that will hold for more than a few days.

I am open to your criticism and I pledge not to wreck this thread if you choose to post my faults and the terrible things I have done to you. There are many and I will not deny them or attack you for airing your grievances.
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hobbsyoyo said:
I tried to explain why I couldn't do that. I hoped for a response that listed your problems with me that explain why you attack me so viciously so that we could talk it over, perhaps come to an understanding or some sort of gentleman's agreement.

I wasn't going to be take your offer and be a rude punk and just ignore it or say 'no thanks jerkwad!'. I cannot accept the offer of a truce, I explained why I cannot, I tried to explain that my words in this thread were not meant as a personal attack but rather and explanation and explicitly said I am open to the same kind of explanation that goes into detail about how I've been a massive jerk to you.

This spat will not be put to rest with a simple olive branch 'let's be friends' because I won't let it. I need dialogue before I'm willing to let it go.
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So much for the de-escalation mentioned in the OP.

:goodjob:
 
Winner,
I apologize for being a jerk and attacking you. You personally offended me with an extremely condescending comment with that also had a facepalm smilie for that extra touch of 'I look down on you' and I've been reacting to that ever since. I feel as though any time we disagree over something, no matter how trivial (even when we mostly agree) you end up talking down on me.

You apparently don't know you do this, but you do. I will admit though I am sensitive to the comments of people I consider friends, so I am probably overreacting.

In any case, I shouldn't have blasted you, I should have just called you out directly at the time and asked for an apology. Unfortunately, I got extremely busy for a week so I literally didn't have the chance to say anything in that thread so it festered in my head for a while and then I blew up on you the next time I saw you post.

If anything, I guess it shows that I really do like you if something you said pissed me off that much. I let most things from people I don't like roll off my back but I was intent on leveling the score with you over this, which isn't good.

Sorry,
David Hobbs
 
I apologize for wasting everybody's time with my porn rants/jokes. Inquiring gentleman is now a real group. ;)

edit: and for a real apology: I already told this to Hobbs and he understood, but many of you do NOT understand that I don't actually hate engineers or even dislike them. That was all a joke started by a *slight* irritation that actually did not even come from this forum at all.

I hate to play the 'race card' here, but lots of Iranians (at least the ones in my family) are expected to do those 'ambitious' jobs such as doctor/lawyer/engineer/etc. Having the unfortunate mental illness that I do, I most likely wouldn't be able to handle the stress of an ambitious job, yet I'm tired of getting pressure to get one from people that do not even understand me. (not you guys)

So my anti-engineering backlash (95% of which was a light hearted joke) was actually directed at some my family members but I was doing in a satirical way and I thought you all would get the joke, but sadly apparently not.
Look, I love engineers to death. I've even slept with a few (the female ones of course)

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http://collegecandy.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/WTH-engineer.jpg?w=459&h=246
 
hobbsyoyo, I apologize for being so nice to you. Things would be quite more interesting if we were mortal enemies.

From now on I am going to assume that you killed my father and put moves on my mother. I will beat you with an olive branch
 
:lol:
 
This is for the OT as a whole, and NES and IOT if someone there reads this. I'm sorry for having been so annoying and disgusting on certain topics for the last days. I have been foolish and emotional, and as much as I do NOT regret my words, I do regret having stated them on such a broad audience which would obviously be offended by them.
 
I know some people were annoyed. Basically posts in serial threads.
 
Why should you? I cannot accept the apology.
 
In case you've caught my whining syndrome.

Traitorfish said:
Insofar as a yid is a yid, a paki is a paki and a spear-chucker is a spear-chucker. You happy for people to throw these terms around, too? Or do you mebbe think that the simple fact that a term refers to a given group of people does not mean that it is acceptable to use the term in reference to that group of people?
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I must say though that "paki" is a strange insult; considering it means "the pure".
 
The insult consists in the vehemence with which it's hurled at the recipient. Not in the word itself. I think. The meaning of which will have quite escaped those who hurled it.

(It's a very long time since I last heard it used in anger.)
 
Its a phrase I think only generic northeners would use.
 
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