The "OMG! Look what happened in DoC!" Thread

[Lone Wolf]

I am playing a modified 1.9, so no wacky Polish and Tibetan stuff. Still, interesting world at Prussian start (the blue in SA are the Incas - I've changed some colours).

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[Daedwartin]

I am playing a modified 1.9, so no wacky Polish and Tibetan stuff. Still, interesting world at Prussian start (the blue in SA are the Incas - I've changed some colours).

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Arabia, Europe is to the left, not up

 

[ImNotHere]

Russia is part of Europe, though. Byzantium still living in 1700 is odd though, usually the Turks, Russians, or HRE conquer it long before then.

 

[phoenix_sprite]

Russia is part of Europe, though. Byzantium still living in 1700 is odd though, usually the Turks, Russians, or HRE conquer it long before then.

Byzantium probably respawned over an unstable or collapsed Ottoman Empire, Arabia claiming the middle eastern portion of it. Doesn't explain Russia though.

 

[Hightower]

Byzantium probably respawned over an unstable or collapsed Ottoman Empire, Arabia claiming the middle eastern portion of it. Doesn't explain Russia though.

The Byzantines can't respawn after the Turks spawn. They have survived the Turks somehow (perhaps because the Turks were crushed by the Arabs immediately?).

 

[Lone Wolf]

Looks like the Turks spawned, that spawn failed to collapse Byzantium (like it often does), then the Turks failed to take Constantinople, and got themselves divided between Arabia and Byzantium.

 

[Tigranes]

Varyags ruling over the Kiev is another noteworthy point!
And no Poles where allowed to help Russia

 

[Yudishtira]

Looks like the Turks spawned, that spawn failed to collapse Byzantium (like it often does), then the Turks failed to take Constantinople, and got themselves divided between Arabia and Byzantium.

Are the Timurids represented in this? The Ottomans needed a bit of luck to survive their 'spawn' irl If they hadn't, Michael XXXIX Palaeologus might be on the Byzantine throne right now.

 

[ImNotHere]

Are the Timurids represented in this? The Ottomans needed a bit of luck to survive their 'spawn' irl If they hadn't, Michael XXXIX Palaeologus might be on the Byzantine throne right now.

Seljuks usually beat up Asia Minor prior to the Turkish spawn. That way, when the Turks spawn the Bizzies are usually heavily hurt and easily succumb to Turkish firepower.

 

[Yudishtira]

Seljuks usually beat up Asia Minor prior to the Turkish spawn. That way, when the Turks spawn the Bizzies are usually heavily hurt and easily succumb to Turkish firepower.

The Seljuks are 11th century so how are they relevant? They are even before the Latins/Fourth Crusade. The Timurids should sweep in around 1400 when the Ottomans are still small, and threaten the Ottomans more than the Byzantines (they briefly vassalized most of what is now Turkey if I'm not mistaken).

 

[Lone Wolf]

Timur didn't really have any intention to conquer Asia Minor, though he did restore some old independent Turkish baylicks. He wasn't planning anything more against the Ottomans after his campaign against Bayazid.

By the end of 14th - beginning of 15th century Byzantine chances were already small. They had only minor gains in the Ottoman post-Timur civil war.

Oh, and I disabled the Seljuks.

 

[ace99]

The subsequent Ottoman Interregnum was far more damaging than the defeat at the Battle of Ankara.

 

[Yudishtira]

Timur didn't really have any intention to conquer Asia Minor, though he did restore some old independent Turkish baylicks. He wasn't planning anything more against the Ottomans after his campaign against Bayazid.

We know what Timur did, but I personally don't know how close he was to making a different decision. Or to living a bit longer, for that matter.

Also, it's hard to get a straight answer here isn't it? Does all this avoiding the question mean that Timur is not in the game?

 

[ace99]

We know he was preparing to invade China after the Ottomans.

 

[Hightower]

We know what Timur did, but I personally don't know how close he was to making a different decision. Or to living a bit longer, for that matter.

Also, it's hard to get a straight answer here isn't it? Does all this avoiding the question mean that Timur is not in the game?

Timur is not in the game, no.

The Seljuks (who are unplayable) invade Persia, Mesopotamia and Anatolia in the 11th century. The Mongols spawn in... 1200, I think? They quickly conquer Transoxiana and invade Persia, collapsing the Seljuks but typically not making it further than Baghdad, though they can on occasion make it all the way to invade Egypt. Then the Ottomans spawn in 1280 in Anatolia and quickly control most of Anatolia. The Mongols usually control Persia until the Safavids spawn in 1500 (though sometimes the Mongols collapse or fail to conquer Persia), so there's no separate treatment of Timur.

He would be very hard to represent, both because his empire was so ephemeral and because the Safavids have to claim much of the same territory only a few years later. Also, in general the Mongol fragmentation is not represented in the mod--if the Mongols are very powerful, they might control China, Egypt and Russia at the same time (though that's pretty rare, and a really strong Mongolia would pretty quickly get broken up by the Iranian and Ottoman spawns and scripted respawns of the Chinese).

 

[mykeedee]

Today I learned that foreign capitals can flip.

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[DC123456789]

Today I learned that foreign capitals can flip.

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Amsterdam cultured flipped?!?

 

[ace99]

If you culture is basically covering all of Northern France you may as well just conquer it.

 

[Tambien]

This world is dominated by commies.

The USSA(me) was the first to discover Communism. We then spread it all over the globe (including to China and Russia) in a event called "The Great Gift." All of eastern Asia is communist, all of North and South America is communist, and great strides are being made in Europe.

Independent France in North America is being occupied by the USSA, and across the planet the forces of Socialism are advancing.

 

[Hippo8085]

^Way too common. I'd bet most of them are running Authoritarianism as well. Game still should more encourage republic.

Two small ironies:

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At least they tried.

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You'd think they would regain prior knowledge before respawning, especially Pericles.