The "OMG! Look what happened in DoC!" Thread

[iOnlySignIn]

No forced collapses, thanks.

If you have a better idea, feel free.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I don't think that an occasional large Mongolia is that bad at all.
I think that a proper respawn of Ming China would solve most of these problems.
Oh, and Hongwu should really have a larger UnitBuildProb then 12.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

No forced collapses, thanks.

And it isn't exactly true that Byzantium has a forced collapse - I've seen it occasionally survive. I've even seen a surviving Rome once.

But you aren't playing on the latest version, are you, LW?

 

[Lone Wolf]

Yes, but nothing I changed should have any effect on all that.
And yeah, Hongwu has a UnitBuildProb of 12 as of recent version. Should really be changed to 30 or something, especially if you keep in mind that in basic BTS, 15 is the lowest value, and only Gandhi has it.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

I don't think that an occasional large Mongolia is that bad at all.
I think that a proper respawn of Ming China would solve most of these problems.
Oh, and Hongwu should really have a larger UnitBuildProb then 12.

Well, a major problem is that southern China doesn't return to Ming when it respawns.
It usually stays in the hands of the Thais or the Portuguese.

 

[Leoreth]

I want to avoid forced collapses as much as possible but
if we have it in place for Rome & Byzantium,
I suppose it wouldn't hurt to hit Mongolia with it as well.

No such thing exists. The only forced collapse affects the Seljuks.

I'm tempted to say just make Keshik ignore city Defense and be done with it.

I've thought that on a number of occasions, too.

Well, a major problem is that southern China doesn't return to Ming when it respawns.
It usually stays in the hands of the Thais or the Portuguese.

The reason is that the flip depends on the stability of its current owners.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

No such thing exists. The only forced collapse affects the Seljuks.

The reason is that the flip depends on the stability of its current owners.

But Rome and Byzantium do get scheduled stability hits don't they?
I've seen Byzantium alive for awhile sometimes but never Rome, especially not past the Middle Ages.

And if the flip depends on the stability of its current owners, should that be remedied in this instance? The loss of Guangzhou is a seriously crippling factor considering Thai culture spreads easier and blocks off a number of resources because the region is Foreign as opposed to Foreign Core.

But I agree with Lone Wolf. I had no idea the UnitBuildProb was lowered THAT much.
It explains a lot. I can't very well imagine the man whose era name means "Vastly Martial" to be more peaceful than Gandhi.

 

[Lone Wolf]

But Rome and Byzantium do get scheduled stability hits don't they?
I've seen Byzantium alive for awhile sometimes but never Rome, especially not past the Middle Ages.

Some civilizations receive a hit on a certain date. That's not limited to Rome and Byzantium, usually stable civs like the Mughals and even Mongolia get them too. It's just that with Byzantium and especially with Rome, these hits are usually enough to bring them to collapse, since their stability is already low from losing cities and such.

 

[Leoreth]

But Rome and Byzantium do get scheduled stability hits don't they?
I've seen Byzantium alive for awhile sometimes but never Rome, especially not past the Middle Ages.

Almost everyone gets scheduled stability hits. The Mongols too. That's not the same as forced collapses.

And if the flip depends on the stability of its current owners, should that be remedied in this instance? The loss of Guangzhou is a seriously crippling factor considering Thai culture spreads easier and blocks off a number of resources because the region is Foreign as opposed to Foreign Core.

Yes, I've already said somewhere that I intend to rewrite the respawn mechanic. I think generally Rhye's idea that only cities with unstable owners should flip is alright, but maybe there should be a threshold of flipped cities after which every city in the respawn area flips.

But I agree with Lone Wolf. I had no idea the UnitBuildProb was lowered THAT much.
It explains a lot. I can't very well imagine the man whose era name means "Vastly Martial" to be more peaceful than Gandhi.

Yes. I've been cautious because China before its collapse has been building huge armies even under Taizong's relatively low unit build probability.

 

[Jusos2108]

Yes, I've already said somewhere that I intend to rewrite the respawn mechanic. I think generally Rhye's idea that only cities with unstable owners should flip is alright, but maybe there should be a threshold of flipped cities after which every city in the respawn area flips.

If this is done carelessly, it will result to the human player avoiding every core area even more than currently. There needs to be protection against a respawn and so far it has been stability, taking that away opens a pandora's box.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Okay, seriously?

How on Earth did I get Global Warming in 1630?

 

[ales_]

Noticed on your screenshot and in my game: Holy Rome has a completed UHV goal.

 

[NorwegianSalmon]

Noticed on your screenshot and in my game: Holy Rome has a completed UHV goal.

Probably the one for founding Protestantism.

 

[iMuffin]

Catholicism was founded in mecca?

Spoiler :

 

[ales_]

@NorwegianSalmon: Probably yes, they have founded Protestantism in my game. But how was this goal counted if the UHV checks are disabled?
@iMuffin: Catholisism, as well as Islam, is always founded in Arabia unless it was already founded because Arabia is the first civ which starts with Theology.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

They're not disabled.

 

[Lone Wolf]

How on Earth did I get Global Warming in 1630?

Isn't Global Warming tied to buildings that produce unhealth? If so, I blame the plague.

 

[Leoreth]

Isn't Global Warming tied to buildings that produce unhealth? If so, I blame the plague.

I think you're right.

 

[iMuffin]

@NorwegianSalmon: Probably yes, they have founded Protestantism in my game. But how was this goal counted if the UHV checks are disabled?
@iMuffin: Catholisism, as well as Islam, is always founded in Arabia unless it was already founded because Arabia is the first civ which starts with Theology.

I know, but usually it gets founded by Rome or independents. Also, byzzies spawn with theology as well (but they didn't spawn thid game). I've never seen this happen before though.

 

[blizzrd]

Okay, seriously?

How on Earth did I get Global Warming in 1630?

Your gameplay is obviously too hot to handle.