The "OMG! Look what happened in DoC!" Thread

[Sinsyne]

Early discoveries of America are pretty normal, though Byzantium coming the long way through the Pacific in 1141 certainly impressed me.

 

[cmakk1012]

Early discoveries of America are pretty normal, though Byzantium coming the long way through the Pacific in 1141 certainly impressed me.

Another hint at how well Byzantium’s doing: they’re called the “Roman Empire,” which means their Gothic War went well

 

[Tigranes]

Early discoveries of America are pretty normal, though Byzantium coming the long way through the Pacific in 1141 certainly impressed me.

Very cool picture and interesting city placement. I usually settle capital in place and never erase city on stone. And pretty crazy to see Byzantium visiting from the west, most likely from Egypt's Red Sea port. You should save the game and after you win -- come back and cnrl Z the world to see the extent of Greeko-Romans... Give Leoreth Justinian's Empire by AI for his gallery!

 

[Rodnok]

Another hint at how well Byzantium’s doing: they’re called the “Roman Empire,” which means their Gothic War went well

Actually I got a save where the AI Byzantium conquered Italy (they will do soon on this screenshot). They even found a city 2 tiles from Paris! But the French flipped it then and renamed it to Strassbourg... The funny part: Byzantium name is Despotate of Morea (which was a province in Peloponnese), despite having 10 cities. I think they were down to 4 cities at some point, when they got this name.

 

[Leoreth]

Actually I got a save where the AI Byzantium conquered Italy (they will do soon on this screenshot). They even found a city 2 tiles from Paris! But the French flipped it then and renamed it to Strassbourg... The funny part: Byzantium name is Despotate of Morea (which was a province in Peloponnese), despite having 10 cities. I think they were down to 4 cities at some point, when they got this name.

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Can you upload a save of this state? The name should not be Despotate of the Morea at this point.

 

[1SDANi]

Can you upload a save of this state? The name should not be Despotate of the Morea at this point.

IDK, in their screenshot their Capital is Athinai, and in every game I played the Byzantines are known as the DotM if their capital is in Athinai. Then again, that may just be confirmation bias and a lack of experience speaking...

 

[Leoreth]

It is, but the name is only supposed to trigger if Constantinople is not controlled. In fact, if Rome is controlled the name should just be Roman Empire.

 

[Rodnok]

I thought it might be a bug . I am not sure when that happened, I found a save at 520 AD when they were Eastern Roman Empire with 4 cities. Here is the next one, 608 AD save with Despotate of Morea.

Another interesting thing was how the Byzantium was born in this game actually: 440 AD Greece still existed and then there was a message that "Byzantium declared independence from foreign domination" - and then Greece collapsed. That's why their capital is in Athens. I thought Byzantium cannot spawn when Greece still exists, but maybe they were collapsing at that point. I dont have any save right before this one, just 450 AD after the Byzantium "declares independence" but this is visible in game events.

 

[Rodnok]

Sorry, too much saves: here is the Despotate of Morea controlling Rome which you actually asked for.

 

[Sinsyne]

Another hint at how well Byzantium’s doing: they’re called the “Roman Empire,” which means their Gothic War went well

Yes and no, they do well in territory but have been teetering on collapse from the moment I made contact.

Rome respawned soon after and Byzantium collapsed after hanging on a bit longer.

Very cool picture and interesting city placement. I usually settle capital in place and never erase city on stone.

Stone tile is outside your Core so I feel it is imperative to burn that ***** down and resettle one east. You need three Core cities to maximize Core pop or you won't be able to expand much. Plus with such a production-poor civ I'd be very reluctant to sacrifice a stone hill for a city spot. One east gives you fresh water and two strong production tiles to build a 5 mountain Machu Picchu and Floating Gardens to further push your Core population.

Though I do place my capital outside my Core. Two seafood, two mines and lots of water with the Great Cothon makes the best spot you can get as Maya. I rolled a start where most classical wonders remained unbuilt. Probably also why Byzantium went big, filling the power vacuum when the early Mediteranean civs did badly for some reason or the other.

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[Tigranes]

Hide that last picture or else Leo will require wheat to build Great Library

But, seriously, last time I built a capital outside of my core I simply collapsed. Let's see how this one will end.

And maybe this is the first time that I see crusader states in Persia What's up with all those French, Holy Roman and Spanish cities in Middle East/Central Asia! Did somebody discover bunch of Indy cities free to grab, passed the news to Europe, and somehow Spanish made all the way from Iberia to capture Persepolis .. and Merv? I never roll games like this!

 

[Sinsyne]

Hide that last picture or else Leo will require wheat to build Great Library

But, seriously, last time I built a capital outside of my core I simply collapsed. Let's see how this one will end.

Eh, I might be infamous for that, see my Egyptian Exodus in the signature for a slightly more ambitious journey ^^
It seems in the current version you collapse on the third stability check without Core cities so pump a settler out before that to settle the Maya core and you're good. Just be mindful to whip responsibly in your Core especially when close to discovering a tech.

And maybe this is the first time that I see crusader states in Persia What's up with all those French, Holy Roman and Spanish cities in Middle East/Central Asia! Did somebody discover bunch of Indy cities free to grab, passed the news to Europe, and somehow Spanish made all the way from Iberia to capture Persepolis .. and Merv? I never roll games like this!

Persian merchant bought the Lance of Longinus from a junk peddler in Antioch and brought it home as a souvenir from his travels. Couple hundred years later his descendants wake up to cries of DEUS VULT. Those Christians sure love their artifacts.

 

[star15389]

Hide that last picture or else Leo will require wheat to build Great Library

But, seriously, last time I built a capital outside of my core I simply collapsed. Let's see how this one will end.

And maybe this is the first time that I see crusader states in Persia What's up with all those French, Holy Roman and Spanish cities in Middle East/Central Asia! Did somebody discover bunch of Indy cities free to grab, passed the news to Europe, and somehow Spanish made all the way from Iberia to capture Persepolis .. and Merv? I never roll games like this!

It's unfortunately a very common outcome. When the Seljuks collapse Arabia the Euros send stacks to the Middle East to fight the Seljuks and will often capture cities. I see it more often than not in Mongol and Turkish starts

 

[Sinsyne]

Independent Great Merchant casually approaching my capital.

 

[Vekkimaster]

It is a known fact that Chinese beat the Europeans in many discoveries such as sailing into Southern Africa before them, but into Mediterranean in the 11th century - DAMN

 

[cmakk1012]

Independent Great Merchant casually approaching my capital.

Greek South Africa? What’s your strategy here, I’m curious!

 

[Sinsyne]

South Africa is a good place to expand into. It doesn't flip to any spawning civs and has some juicy resources you lack as a European/Mediteranean civ. Also Greece has a large and populous enough Core area for you to go big without collapsing from overextension stability.

 

[Publicola]

I'm also curious about the strategy behind relocating your capital to Asia Minor. Won't that cost you when Turkey spawns? If you're going for UHV, how does a Chalcedon capital tie in to that?

 

[Sinsyne]

I usually ignore the UHV(though going for 2 out of 3 goals for the complimentary golden age can be worth it depending on civ if it doesn't derail your other plans too much). Chalkedon was my capital from the start, it is by my reckoning the strongest city you can get in your Core area. To build Chalkedon first you need to delay Korinthos by a turn, but since you're still in anarchy from going Despotism/Redistribution/Deification you don't even lose growth and production from waiting.

As for the Turks, I had pistoliers and arquebusiers ready for the Arab spawn. Wouldn't even be surprised if I end up having tanks in time for the Turks. Greece has the potential to be insanely strong thanks to a good starting position and a large Core that can support five big cities. I started settling North America in 800 AD

 

[Logoncal]

South Africa is a good place to expand into. It doesn't flip to any spawning civs and has some juicy resources you lack as a European/Mediteranean civ. Also Greece has a large and populous enough Core area for you to go big without collapsing from overextension stability.

Unless Leoreth decides to add the S-civs.