the "tramp stamp", what do we think about it?

[Brighteye]

I think that not only are there old people who've never accepted tattoos, but young people too.
As a child I found them ugly, and gradually I've realised that there's nothing wrong with it, although I'd still not want to have a tattoo myself.

 

[Mise]

I like the tattoo that Abbadon posted, but that picture that Erik posted is absolutely right, she isn't ever going to get a job that pays taxes. And that's the problem. She's not going to get a tax paying job because people are prejudiced against people with bold tattoos. Prejudice is bad. All the antipathy in this thread towards tattoos -- and subsequently judging them negatively -- is not a good thing for an otherwise progressive, open-minded bunch of liberals.

It's amazing how a thread on women's appearance can bring out the most narrow-minded, bigoted, judgemental, conservative, Victorian, puritanical nonsense in a board that's supposed to have an overwhelmingly left-wing, liberal bias!

 

[holy king]

well, two things, mise.

1. she will find it tough to get most jobs in service, and a few in other areas.
that's an objective fact.
you dont shave yourself a mohawk, go to a job interview for waiter at a gourmet restaurant and then whine about not getting the job.
it was your own fault you didnt even give yourself a chance to get it.


2. now, on the other hand it's perfectly fine sporting a mohawk and not whining about not getting such jobs.
i mean what the hell, that's the life you decided to live.
people going on about others doing this and looking down on them are indeed disgusting.

 

[Mise]

Well, why can't a waiter have a mohawk? How does that affect how he performance as a waiter? Is it because the customers don't want to be served by someone who "looks like that"?

 

[holy king]

Well, why can't a waiter have a mohawk? How does that affect how he performance as a waiter? Is it because the customers don't want to be served by someone who "looks like that"?

yes...

 

[IglooDame]

Well, why can't a waiter have a mohawk? How does that affect how he performance as a waiter? Is it because the customers don't want to be served by someone who "looks like that"?

Yeah, pretty much.

I'm have fairly moderate views about tattoos - my wife has a couple of them (neither of them is a tramp stamp), several of my friends have some, and I think they can enhance or detract from personal appearance. The folks claiming that everyone (or is it just females?) with a tattoo is a fad-enslaved sheep should recalibrate their generalizations, because it's an unusually stupid one.

All that said, one's personal appearance - for good or ill - is one of the first things people meeting you have to go on, and sorry for the trite line but you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. You want to express yourself via your appearance in your professional life, fine, but go into it knowing that you'll have to work that much harder to overcome the first impression that you make on most people that will make conscious or unconscious judgements of you based on your appearance.

 

[Mise]

yes...

Well that's the prejudice then isn't it... It makes no difference to his ability to perform his job, but he'll get fired anyway, cos people don't like people with mohawks. I mean, if the discussion was about people who dye their hair blonde or brown or whatever, nobody would fire someone for that. But dye it pink and green and suddenly you're in "it was your own fault you didnt even give yourself a chance to get it" territory. It's the same old prejudice: bias against people who don't conform to social norms. Gays got it for a long time, but who you choose to sleep with has nothing to do with your ability to perform a job, regardless of how your customers might react to a gay waiter, so it's illegal to discriminate. Pink & Green hair is the same thing...

 

[IglooDame]

Well that's the prejudice then isn't it... It makes no difference to his ability to perform his job, but he'll get fired anyway, cos people don't like people with mohawks. I mean, if the discussion was about people who dye their hair blonde or brown or whatever, nobody would fire someone for that. But dye it pink and green and suddenly you're in "it was your own fault you didnt even give yourself a chance to get it" territory. It's the same old prejudice: bias against people who don't conform to social norms. Gays got it for a long time, but who you choose to sleep with has nothing to do with your ability to perform a job, regardless of how your customers might react to a gay waiter, so it's illegal to discriminate. Pink & Green hair is the same thing...

Really, for a heterosexual person I seem to have a fairly accurate gaydar, but even I have trouble figuring out the sexual preferences of waitstaff at a restaurant. I go to restaurants where the wall colors don't distract me, the music isn't too loud, and the waitstaff are friendly but relatively unobtrusive (unless the restaurant is Hooters, anyway). I don't consider it prejudicial to think that my meal will be more pleasant if the people around me don't stand out or are too glaringly different that what I'm used to with their personal appearance. And I don't dine a lot in West Hollywood or Soho.

 

[holy king]

Well that's the prejudice then isn't it... It makes no difference to his ability to perform his job, but he'll get fired anyway, cos people don't like people with mohawks. I mean, if the discussion was about people who dye their hair blonde or brown or whatever, nobody would fire someone for that. But dye it pink and green and suddenly you're in "it was your own fault you didnt even give yourself a chance to get it" territory. It's the same old prejudice: bias against people who don't conform to social norms. Gays got it for a long time, but who you choose to sleep with has nothing to do with your ability to perform a job, regardless of how your customers might react to a gay waiter, so it's illegal to discriminate. Pink & Green hair is the same thing...

yes, it is prejudice. there are certain subcultures in our society, and the one we're talking about here is particularly exclusive of anyone not pertaining to its dress code.
if you choose not to pertain to it, you choose not to get jobs that are available within it.

 

[Yeekim]

Young eh?

She is 29 and that is her daughter

29 isn't young any more now?
But I'll admit that's some 6 or 7 years more than I'd guessed. More power to her anyway.

 

[Mise]

Really, for a heterosexual person I seem to have a fairly accurate gaydar, but even I have trouble figuring out the sexual preferences of waitstaff at a restaurant. I go to restaurants where the wall colors don't distract me, the music isn't too loud, and the waitstaff are friendly but relatively unobtrusive (unless the restaurant is Hooters, anyway). I don't consider it prejudicial to think that my meal will be more pleasant if the people around me don't stand out or are too glaringly different that what I'm used to with their personal appearance. And I don't dine a lot in West Hollywood or Soho.

Do you think that your dining experience (in the ones you frequent) would be significantly worse if served by a waiter with pink and green hair, rather than a waiter with blonde hair?

yes, it is prejudice. there are certain subcultures in our society, and the one we're talking about here is particularly exclusive of anyone not pertaining to its dress code.
if you choose not to pertain to it, you choose not to get jobs that are available within it.

Except it's not exclusive to a particular subculture - it's pervasive throughout society. People with pink and green hair are discriminated against all across society, for nothing more than looking different. It's just the same nonsense that you see at school - people get picked on for being a bit different or looking a bit funny or being a bit overweight. People dress it up by saying they'd rather be with people who they're "used to" than people who look different, but that's the same window dressing people applied to prejudice against blacks or gays. The extent to which it is a problem is obviously much less for pink and green haired people, but that doesn't make it any less dumb...

 

[Brighteye]

Mise, you're not going to get anywhere by being right. It's your own fault people disagree with you: you chose this life. You should just make sure that you fit in with everyone else, because you need to be what other people are accustomed to.

 

[Yeekim]

Um, pink or green hair is not just "looking different", from what I've gathered. I may be unfairly stereotyping here, but I that believe people who paint their hair green usually are trying to make some sort of statement, express how "deep" and "rebellious" they are. Basically, they consciously seek to break social norms just for the sake of breaking them.
And if we were one day to consider pink mohawks entirely acceptable, they would invent some other, even more ridiculous way of not conforming and sticking out.

There will always be attention who**s with an attitude. And frankly, I don't need my waiting staff to consist of attention who**s with an attitude. It's a milder version of wearing a Hitler moustache and swastika handband to a Holocaust Day memorial and then arguing it is just a fashion element and you can theoretically be just as sincere in your grief as anyone else.

 

[fugazi]

Do you think that your dining experience (in the ones you frequent) would be significantly worse if served by a waiter with pink and green hair, rather than a waiter with blonde hair?


Except it's not exclusive to a particular subculture - it's pervasive throughout society. People with pink and green hair are discriminated against all across society, for nothing more than looking different. It's just the same nonsense that you see at school - people get picked on for being a bit different or looking a bit funny or being a bit overweight. People dress it up by saying they'd rather be with people who they're "used to" than people who look different, but that's the same window dressing people applied to prejudice against blacks or gays. The extent to which it is a problem is obviously much less for pink and green haired people, but that doesn't make it any less dumb...

If you want to stand out, expect to be criticized. Is pink or green hair a natural color or one that you've seen on other trustworthy people? If the answer is no, get ready for some flak. I honestly don't mind weirdly dyed hairs, even if they mostly make you look less pretty because it's not permanent. It fits searching young souls to try and find answers in extremes, but when the result is permanent it's most often a bad idea. It's that simple.

 

[galdre]

I agree with Mise

a friend of mine is a goth - whenever I walk down the street with him a lot of people look at him like he's got 3 heads, and look at me like they don't know why I'd be seen with him (I dress rather conventionally). It's ridiculous. He's one of the nicest people I know

most people are way to judgmental of the way someone looks

 

[Brighteye]

If you want to stand out, expect to be criticized. Is pink or green hair a natural color or one that you've seen on other trustworthy people? If the answer is no, get ready for some flak.

I am struggling to find any reason why I would link hair colour to trustworthiness, or being natural to being trustworthy.
Having failed to find such a reason, I generally judge trustworthiness by relevant indicators, rather than irrelevant ones. In this respect I stand out quite clearly from the crowd, who criticise me for my wacky opinions. Strangely, I have angered a particularly large proportion of the Americans I have met with this approach to life.

 

[Yeekim]

I agree with Mise

a friend of mine is a goth - whenever I walk down the street with him a lot of people look at him like he's got 3 heads, and look at me like they don't know why I'd be seen with him (I dress rather conventionally). It's ridiculous. He's one of the nicest people I know

most people are way to judgmental of the way someone looks

You're one on the left?

Spoiler :

 

[galdre]

You're one on the left?

Spoiler :

no, the other one

 

[BCLG100]

I fail to understand why her having a tattoo would prevent her getting a job as a waiter or whatever. She can always wear a long sleeved whatever....

The only thing it might prevent her from doing is giving blood iirc but that might be time sensitive as well

 

[fugazi]

I am struggling to find any reason why I would link hair colour to trustworthiness, or being natural to being trustworthy.
Having failed to find such a reason, I generally judge trustworthiness by relevant indicators, rather than irrelevant ones. In this respect I stand out quite clearly from the crowd, who criticise me for my wacky opinions. Strangely, I have angered a particularly large proportion of the Americans I have met with this approach to life.

Previous experiences with such people and if you haven't had, you're usually neutral at best. That I'm open to anyone with a weird hairdo and way of clothing (I got goths as friends for example and can keep a straight face when I see their most ridiculous outfits) doesn't mean that I'm blind to how most people look at it. People categorise and if we can't put someone we've just met into existing categories, we normally opt to put them in a more negative box. Or that's how I see it