The universal "Poland is in X" thread
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I consider culture totally irrelevant to the decision of where something lies geographically.Well they updated the borders, that's about all.
I don't understand what we are debating here really?
Poland is closer culturally to Germans, Czechs, Austrians and Hungarians then it is to Russia.
Polish language is West Slavic, like it's Central European sisters. Not East Slavic like Eastern European Russia.
Poland is Catholic, a trait shared by Western and Central Europeans. Eastern Europeans are Orthadox.
Poland uses the Roman alphabet(and always had), like other Western and Central Europeans.
Polish cuisine is Central European and very similar to Czech and some German groups. Most of the local dishes shared between Poland and Russia, got to Russia because Poland controlled Ukraine, which after the partitions, shared it with Russia.
Europe's borders are defined by European(*cough* christian *cough*) culture. So if we continued this pattern by dividing Europe culturally, why would Poland be Eastern European, when it is Central (or Western?) European culturally? Is it because of dem evil commies from 20 years ago?
Depending on what method you use the center of europe is either in Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia or Ukraine.
IMHO the 15°E Parallel (running amongst others through Poland) is the dividing line between Western and Eastern Europe. (Europe Spanning from 10°W to 50°E)
Where poland lies Geographically is the only thing that matter to this discussion. Culture, Customs and Tradition are irrelevant. Otherwise we should start calling Argentina Southern European and New Zealand North European.And does it really matter where Poland is geographically? It's funny we are discussing which part of a continent is a country, when this continent is made up by Christian's who thought they were too superiour to everyone in the first place!
Its really sad that the term "Eastern Europe(an)" has gained negative connotations for many but remember that the same was true for Southern Europe(ans), Once Eastern European economies start to catch up (some already have) the losers will find another target to pick on to make themselves feel superior. However i'm pretty sure that trying to rebrand/reinvent Eastern Europe as "Central Europe" (or whatever else) only makes it worse.
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Here's Poland.
It's much smaller than most people make it out to be.
It's just as corrupt.
TheLastOne36
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Me too, if this was Africa or the Americas.Fëanor;9103606 said:
Europe is in Eurasia, and Europe is a made up place with it's borders defined by culture. Europe is the only place where I would define things by culture. (This would make Cyprus, Armenia, Georgia and Cape Verde European.
)IMO it makes sense to divide boundaries such as East and West by culture too.
Don't remember how he did it and personally don't feel like searching for his post.
Like I explained earlier, when defining what is where in Europe, it makes sense to define it by culture.
This is of coarse ignoring childish claims like Argentina and New Zealand being European.
I agree for the most part, but this goes back to the old arguements from 2 years ago. (wow, two years ago. =\)
There is nothing wrong with Eastern Europe in the geographic sense. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states etc. I am sure are nice places. But, when you call us Central Europeans "Eastern European" it is like bringing up the past, in the one point of history where we were Eastern European, the Commie era. It's like bringing up the horrible commie past(which isn't that long ago in many peoples memories) and throwing it at our faces.
This is not about East vs West geographics, this is about our history.
Anyway, this Eastern European term is hurting us economically too, when people hear Eastern Europe, they think "Gah, corrupt commie russians, collapsing Ukraine, and deteriorating Belarus" not "Growing during the recesion Poland, fastest growing European economy Slovakia". This deters investors. (or so says some article I read a long time ago.
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holy king
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It's also one of the few things UN hasn't updated since the 1950's!
(that map I mean)
ehm, have there been some major tectonic shifts since then?
because if not, i dont see how that farty bit of history can affect geography.
Kraznaya
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Poland is Eastern Europe personified.
It is comprisedd of jingoistic, misinformed, uneducated posters from a nation with nationalistic aspirations that are far beyond the scope of what they can achieve. Poland is the very symbol of a land that time and progress has long forgotten, a voice we can only hear now because of the screeching wails of their people. It is a land so backward that people revere a pedophilic cult as a crown of national pride. It is corruption manifest. It is... the Eastern armpit of Europe.
And let's face it, what other than an Eastern European country would fly its leaders in Tupolevs?
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It is comprisedd of jingoistic, misinformed, uneducated posters from a nation with nationalistic aspirations that are far beyond the scope of what they can achieve. Poland is the very symbol of a land that time and progress has long forgotten, a voice we can only hear now because of the screeching wails of their people. It is a land so backward that people revere a pedophilic cult as a crown of national pride. It is corruption manifest. It is... the Eastern armpit of Europe.
And let's face it, what other than an Eastern European country would fly its leaders in Tupolevs?
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Aquila SPQR
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Nice try. But unfortunately this, sir, is what we call "FAIL".
So I should assume right now, that you are from Poland, right? Because you fit this description perfectly
Besides - give our 15 year old teenager your exam tests written for american 15 year old teenagers and he will laugh. Give to your teens our exam tests and they won't pass
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So I should assume right now, that you are from Poland, right? Because you fit this description perfectly
Besides - give our 15 year old teenager your exam tests written for american 15 year old teenagers and he will laugh. Give to your teens our exam tests and they won't pass
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azzaman333
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We sure do have a wide range of interesting people down here.
holy king
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yeah, because he never in his life has seen this funny thing the guy who is handing it to him calls "paper".
azzaman333
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Also, he'll probably be drunk.
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Fëanor;9102973 said:
Damn, mofo! Texas is larger than I thought!
Valka D'ur said:
I noticed how snuggly it would fit right by florida if i made it a bit larger, so there it went!
Fëanor said:
If this was a debate about geography, it wouldn't be a debate at all. This isn't really even a debate.. everyone knows that the geographical centre of Europe is either in Poland, or east of Poland..
This is just people screwing around with a tired old meme. People like TheLastOne36 falling for the ruse and debating like this was a genuine debate is what fuels the fire.. Stop it, you fool! DON'T YOU SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE!?!? Your motherland is dissapoint
What makes you think that the West Slavs are not part of Eastern Europe? I would say that a nation with a slavic majority is a sufficient condition for being part of Eastern Europe.
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I am not continueing this arguement as they have yet to respond to it and I doubt they will.
Over the years, NOBODY has made a valid reason why Poland is Eastern European that doesn't involve communists, the cold war, or which side it is on on a flat map.
The only people that are posting here are mostly trolling idiots with no lives.
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Over the years, NOBODY has made a valid reason why Poland is Eastern European that doesn't involve communists, the cold war, or which side it is on on a flat map.
The only people that are posting here are mostly trolling idiots with no lives.
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TheLastOne36
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So when did Slavic = Eastern Europe?
Romania is Western European then, for having a majority latin population.
Aquila SPQR
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You:
Me:
Two sentences and two perfect examples of lack of knowledge. First paper mill in Poland was built in 1491. Oops, it's a year before civilization reached America
Our oldest still working mill was built in 1774. Oops again, it's older than US of A
And about alcohol:
They forgot about Poland
So all you can do right now is to sit in a corner and
Me:
Two sentences and two perfect examples of lack of knowledge. First paper mill in Poland was built in 1491. Oops, it's a year before civilization reached America
Our oldest still working mill was built in 1774. Oops again, it's older than US of A And about alcohol:
They forgot about Poland
So all you can do right now is to sit in a corner and
azzaman333
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You:
Me:
Two sentences and two perfect examples of lack of knowledge. First paper mill in Poland was built in 1491. Oops, it's a year before civilization reached America
And about alcohol:
They forgot about Poland
So all you can do right now is to sit in a corner and
holyking isn't American and I'm not European.
You tried so hard, and got so far. But in the end, you're still Eastern European.
Aquila SPQR
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And proud of it. I prefer being Eastern European (though really Central European is a more appropriate name) than from other place and dumb and naive.
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