There are more of us than there are of them

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Pretty sure his point was that every president does something that if the other had done it, it'd be major negative ad fodder. Republicans are able to weaponize rising deficits against Dems effectively, even though Republicans are most guilty of doing so, because they've branded themselves as the responsible spending party.

 

[Truthy]

I notice @El_Machinae's I made my above post in response to got three like, but this one didn't get acknowledged at all. Do people here REALLY believe that Bush is ONLY guilty of driving up the debt in terms of high crimes in office, and nothing else as high, very serious crimes in office go, and the CIA is a legitimate and above board organization that can be trusted as the one of the main implements fighting "terrorism," and don't deserve to, themselves, be dragged in as "terrorists?"

This will sound meaner than I'm intending, but it's because you misunderstood his point and so we all saw your criticism as not relevant. He wasn't saying "these are the bad things each administration did." He was saying "these are things each administration got away with because their side is usually against things like these."

In any case, rest assured: virtually everyone here hates Bush and thinks he's guilty of starting a horrible pointless war (or two), hundreds of thousands of deaths, warcrimes, torture, lying, destabilizing the Middle East, and so on.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Turno Pacifico?

I think that is certainly how many folks see it... at least in a spiritual sense if not a literal one. @Lexicus might even say its damn near literal.

 

[rah]

In any case, rest assured: virtually everyone here hates Bush and thinks he's guilty of starting a horrible pointless war (or two), hundreds of thousands of deaths, warcrimes, torture, lying, destabilizing the Middle East, and so on.

I always blame Cheney.

 

[Lexicus]

@Lexicus might even say its damn near literal.

Nah, Lexicus isn't quite that conspiratorial, but he would point out that the capitalist stranglehold on both parties makes such an arrangement rather quaint and pointless.

 

[Berzerker]

Mueller did not clear Trump of conspiracy.

Did Mueller say he found evidence of a conspiracy?

 

[Gorbles]

How are you still on that topic, Berzerker

 

[CurtSibling]

The OP and thread makes the error that all liberals are nice people and that all conservatives are evil people.

 

[sophie]

The OP and thread makes the error that all liberals are nice people and that all conservatives are evil people.

Also that Leftists and Liberals are "on the same side"

 

[Patine]

Also that Leftists and Liberals are "on the same side"

And is doesn't account for people like me that don't self-identify as "party-line voters," or "spectrum-wing-bound-ideologues," but actually think and consider each issue, each party and candidate platform, and each election on a case-by-case, contextual viewpoint. I must be the quite the socio-political cryptid now, even though there were a lot more like me when I was young in the '80's and early '90's. But extremists on both sides are taking over, and demanding sheepish, lockstep conformity to their emotion-driven, short-sighted, self-sabotaging, vitriolic, counter-productive, thoughtless, counter-intuitive, and unrealistic views, with no room for compromise or rational dissent or question. You'd almost think the lessons of the Weimar Republic and the 1850's United States hadn't been learned at all...

 

[Lexicus]

And is doesn't account for people like me that don't self-identify as "party-line voters," or "spectrum-wing-bound-ideologues," but actually think and consider each issue, each party and candidate platform, and each election on a case-by-case, contextual viewpoint. I must be the quite the socio-political cryptid now, even though there were a lot more like me when I was young in the '80's and early '90's. But extremists on both sides are taking over, and demanding sheepish, lockstep conformity to their emotion-driven, short-sighted, self-sabotaging, vitriolic, counter-productive, thoughtless, counter-intuitive, and unrealistic views, with no room for compromise or rational dissent or question. You'd almost think the lessons of the Weimar Republic and the 1850's United States hadn't been learned at all...

Yes, I too am the only smart man in the world, devoid of preconceptions, considering each issue in Perfect Logical Isolation.

 

[Patine]

Yes, I too am the only smart man in the world, devoid of preconceptions, considering each issue in Perfect Logical Isolation.

I never did go nearly as far as you. I was solely talking about my socio-political predilections. You, however, are obviously just delusional and neurotically narcissistic, because your claims obviously cover the impossibility of all endeavours. Also, I didn't my say socio-political views were perfect or the greatest shining examples in history, I just disavowed being an extremist, and pointed out a cautionary note about their rise, and included two historical examples to back that up. But since it seems common practice of several posters on this forum to put words in my mouth I had never said, fill in blanks in my posts (or just create, by declaration, things out of whole-cloth), and attribute traits and beliefs to me with no evidence behind them, and use these utterly contrived fallacies to make baseless personal attacks and slander again me, I suppose your post I'm responding to is no surprise.

 

[Berzerker]

How are you still on that topic, Berzerker

the thread was on vacation

 

[Lexicus]

The OP and thread makes the error that all liberals are nice people and that all conservatives are evil people.

"Conservatives aren't evil!"
[camera cuts to group of conservatives in the process of human sacrifice]
Narrator: they were, in fact, evil

 

[Patine]

"Conservatives aren't evil!"
[camera cuts to group of conservatives in the process of human sacrifice]
Narrator: they were, in fact, evil

Human sacrifice? Isn't that a bit hyperbolic? Or are you referring to lives thrown away in wars for corporate profit? Because both sides of the political spectrum in the United States are highly guilty of that...

 

[Lexicus]

Human sacrifice? Isn't that a bit hyperbolic? Or are you referring to lives thrown away in wars for corporate profit? Because both sides of the political spectrum in the United States are highly guilty of that...

It's just a bit of a laugh mate

 

[Patine]

It's just a bit of a laugh mate

Sometimes it's hard to tell on these forums. Some people deadpan very well, and some say the most ludicrous of things with the utmost conviction. I'm sure you've seen it too.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Sometimes it's hard to tell on these forums. Some people deadpan very well, and some say the most ludicrous of things with the utmost conviction. I'm sure you've seen it too.

Hard to tell?? About ritual human sacrifice?!? Whew... this is a good time for a drink... I'm gonna have one and nobody can stop me. Feel free to join any CFC pals who are on

Nah, Lexicus isn't quite that conspiratorial, but he would point out that the capitalist stranglehold on both parties makes such an arrangement rather quaint and pointless.

"Both sides are bad" is seductive... I'll grant you that... makes you feel aloof a hell. But the practical reality is that it helps Conservatives way more.

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm out.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I'm out.

Football is still on! Never give up, Never Surrender!