Todd Akin refusing to step down!

[bhsup]

Missourians have had over 12 years to get rid of this loon

No. Just the ones surrounding St. Louis. Don't blame the rest of the State. And for the love of God, this proves all my ranting that St Louis isn't really Missouri 100% correct.

EDIT: DT. With regard to him stepping down, just how exactly will that work? This was a voter decided primary, not a party caucus that decided him? I doubt we can have another special election in time. Seems wrong to let the Missouri GOP pick the next candidate. Would it go to the second place primary winner? Because if so, that'll kinda make me giddy since that's my guy, Brunner.

 

[peter grimes]

There is no way Atkin stays in the race by the end of the week. It doesn't really matter how blustery he wants to be, the GOP HAS to win this race if they want to take the Senate, and with the money train almost totally dried up, there is no way Atkin can stick around. Even with McCaskil being fairly unpopular...she'll still win if Atkin has no money. Rove has pulled out, the RNSC has pulled out, and Atkin has no more allies.

I think this resolved by Thursday.

You follow these sorts of details much more than I do - are you saying that this race is the only hope the Republicans have of getting a majority in the Senate?

There are no other races that are at all competitive?

 

[bhsup]

Well oddly, McCaskill is in a weird position of NOT calling for his ouster. Her campaign actually ran some almost pro-Akins ads because they felt they had the best chance of beating Akins out of the other candidates.

 

[BvBPL]

Largely because that wingnut Bachmann backed him.

NPR is crediting Akin's primary win as being the fruit of the efforts of McCaskill to get him to be the GOP's candidate because he is so good at putting his foot into his mouth.

How do you like having your insane candidates being picked for you by the other side?

Would it go to the second place primary winner? Because if so, that'll kinda make me giddy since that's my guy, Brunner.

No, the party gets to pick a replacement w/o a special election and w/o regard to the primary.

 

[bhsup]

Yeah, I addressed that earlier. But whether it was primarily from that or not is irrelevant. Michele Bachmann endorsed him. That's... I don't want that crazy in my State. Which really scares me if Sarah Steelman (3rd place in primary) gets the nod from the party because Sarah Palin endorsed her. Brunner or bust!

 

[Formaldehyde]

Akin:

America has got the equivalent of the stage 3 cancer of socialism because the federal government is tampering with all kinds of stuff it has not business tampering with.

Link to video.

Obamacare is also the "stage 3 cancer of socialism":


Link to video.

We want a government that protects freedom, not destroys it. We want a government that is going to honor the Constitution, not ignore it. And we want a leader who is a servant header instead of a dictator. And so, we look to God and we pray for hope. Hope and a real change.

Freedom of speech FTW yet again.

 

[MobBoss]

Doggone it Form, I was hoping you had a Youtube of Foxnews calling him a democrat.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Doggone it Form, I was hoping you had a Youtube of Foxnews calling him a democrat.

Silly MobBoss
Then Republicans would start heavily voting democrat.

 

[Quintillus]

Well, I'm glad we have permission from VRWCAgent to talk trash about Missouri if he wins this race. I wouldn't expect it based on my previous positive experiences in Missouri, but then again, Kansas seemed fairly normal when I was there, too, and that's where evolution doesn't exist, and Scott Walker apparently has supporters somewhere in Wisconsin even though he's hated in the capital.

It's kind of a double-edged sword for McCaskill in supporting him in the primaries. On the one hand it's nice to be running against an idiot instead of someone with some tact, but on the other hand, if he wins anyway, then everyone (except those who still support him) loses. Which is why I voted against Santorum in the primaries - sure Obama could probably beat him, but I'd feel really bad if Santorum won the primaries by one vote and then won the election.

 

[downtown]

You follow these sorts of details much more than I do - are you saying that this race is the only hope the Republicans have of getting a majority in the Senate?

There are no other races that are at all competitive?

There are several other races that are competitive, but with McCaskil trailing in polls for the last three months, this looked like an easy pickup. North Dakota and Indiana are looking way more competitive than Republicans had originally counted on, so winning MO would have been really important. You take the easy wins where you can get them.

No, the party gets to pick a replacement w/o a special election and w/o regard to the primary.

Yup.

 

[Save_Ferris]

I'll take GoodSamatarian's stance and say that if it's bad for Missouri, it's good for us.

Also, good Colbert material there.

 

[bhsup]

At least we're not Kansas.

 

[downtown]

Even after Atkin's remarks, polls show he has a 1% lead over McCaskil, even as his personal favorability hits below 30%.

Whoa. Missouri IS crazy.

 

[peter grimes]

Sounds like the effects of the 27% Crazification Factor:

John: Hey, Bush is now at 37% approval. I feel much less like Kevin McCarthy screaming in traffic. But I wonder what his base is --

Tyrone: 27%.

John: ... you said that immmediately, and with some authority.

Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.

John: Objectively crazy or crazy vis-a-vis my own inertial reference frame for rational behaviour? I mean, are you creating the Theory of Special Crazification or General Crazification?

Tyrone: Hadn't thought about it. Let's split the difference. Half just have worldviews which lead them to disagree with what you consider rationality even though they arrive at their positions through rational means, and the other half are the core of the Crazification -- either genuinely crazy; or so woefully misinformed about how the world works, the bases for their decision making is so flawed they may as well be crazy.

John: You realize this leads to there being over 30 million crazy people in the US?

Tyrone: Does that seem wrong?

John: ... a bit low, actually.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Even after Atkin's remarks, polls show he has a 1% lead over McCaskil, even as his personal favorability hits below 30%.

Whoa. Missouri IS crazy.

So, do you now wish to retract your previous statement? Or do you want to wait until Thursday?

Many people seem to forget this is a "war". That most Republicans would never vote for a Democrat these days, no matter who the Republican candidate was or what he stated.

Again, in 2004, being an elitist from Massachusetts meant you were evil incarnate. Today, it means you are the Republican presidential candidate.

 

[downtown]

So, do you now wish to retract your previous statement? Or do you want to wait until Thursday?

Many people seem to forget this is a "war". That most Republicans would never vote for a Democrat these days, no matter who the Republican candidate was or what he stated.

Again, in 2004, being an elitist from Massachusetts meant you were evil incarnate. Today, it means you are the Republican presidential candidate.

I'll wait until Thursday... I still think he's going to drop out, or get forced out. The only people who have supported Akin is the Family Research Council, everybody else, from Ron Paul to Mitt Romney to the GOP Senate Funding Committee to Scott Brown have thrown this guy under the bus. I think team Mitt REALLY wants this guy gone (the longer he sticks around, the longer the Akin/Ryan connection can be made), so I have to think their pros will find a way to extract themselves from the situation.

I'm just shocked that he only dropped 4 points in the polls.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Sounds like the effects of the 27% Crazification Factor:

I just looked up Keyes' positions, I'd vote for him over Obama or Romney

I disagree with a few of his views on religion, but a lot of his stuff seems like it would lead to a greater focus on family and community, which I agree with. And he opposes a hawkish foreign policy as well. Oh, and he's pro-life

 

[downtown]

I just looked up Keyes' positions, I'd vote for him over Obama or Romney

I disagree with a few of his views on religion, but a lot of his stuff seems like it would lead to a greater focus on family and community, which I agree with. And he opposes a hawkish foreign policy as well. Oh, and he's pro-life

Well, you're also crazy.

It looks like I was wrong, as Akin made an ad buy and announce on Fox that he was sticking around, even after every single Republican, including Mitt, said he should leave. I am totally shocked. The guy is STILL talking about Rape on TV right now. Should be fun to see what the polls look like in a week. This is prob not what Mitt wanted to be talking about right before the convention.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Well, you're also crazy.

Actually, other than that he's anti-abortion and pro-religion, what exactly is crazy about Keyes?

It looks like I was wrong, as Akin made an ad buy and announce on Fox that he was sticking around, even after every single Republican, including Mitt, said he should leave. I am totally shocked. The guy is STILL talking about Rape on TV right now. Should be fun to see what the polls look like in a week. This is prob not what Mitt wanted to be talking about right before the convention

Akin is obviously very selfish because I'm pretty sure he won't win after all this news coverage and so presumably the GOP won't be getting the seat.

Odds that any of the former GOP contenders run as an independent? And if they do, odds they get more votes than Akin?

Regarding this issue, if he had genuinely made a scientific error in good faith (I made the same error via being taught it BTW) and apologized, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem if he ran his campaign (Although it would have been even better if he had the grace to step down) but the fact that he's STILL insisting on it after being corrected is sad and shows contempt to me.

 

[Phrossack]

No. Just the ones surrounding St. Louis. Don't blame the rest of the State. And for the love of God, this proves all my ranting that St Louis isn't really Missouri 100% correct.

First off, he more or less represented West County. Not all people surrounding St. Louis live there; I'm from South County.

Second, St. Louis is a part of Missouri. You just live in Missouruh.