[RD] Trans Erasure
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Chukchi Husky
Lone Wolf
If all drag performances are sexual, does that mean Looney Tunes is furry porn?
sophie
Break My Heart
The doctor’s judgment alone is absolutely not the best we can have. If you’d study the history of medicalization and pathologization of trans health (and indeed other health areas that were medicalized around the same time like fatness, neurodivergence, mental disorders etc.) you would know that the bulk of this history operated under the presumption of “doctor knows best” to absolutely horrible outcomes and unnecessary suffering and suicide. We have arrived at the present prognosis of gender affirming care precisely because of the disastrous track record of the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.
If doctors want to be a part of transition care - and I think having the guidance and advice of medical expertise and diagnostics is a self-evident boon, then that requires physicians recognize that their role in this is to advise and collaborate with their patient to arrive at a satisfactory outcome for the patient, not to dictate terms and gatekeep treatment. Doing so will only bring us back to the bad old days (or current situation in the case of the UK) of large amounts of diy (a recent study in the uk found that 40% of trans patients in London intake appoints were already self-medicating when they arrived) and a profound distrust of medical professionals leading to lying and avoiding physicians, and skewing, distorting or problematizing efforts by clinicians to advance research in trans health. Even today, “doctors are useless and serve only to humiliate me and make my life more difficult,” is still a very common (and often quite well-founded) belief within trans circles
It’s not an aesthetic issue. A cis person experiencing the cross-gender puberty would experience severe gender dysphoria in the same way we do when we experience the wrong puberty. If crooked teeth were consistently shown to cause acute distress leading to depression, anxiety, self-harm, and suicide then you might have a point. Otherwise please don’t liken gender dysphoria to braces. You’re running afoul of step-6 in the article I linked.
It’s not a matter of not wanting to discuss with cis people, but rather a matter of cis people listening to us and taking our perspectives seriously when we’re talking about something *you* cannot know. The trauma I experienced as a child was not “wobbles” and it’s insulting to hear it callously dismissed as such.
This is of course, the whole point of gender affirming care. You meet the patient at the place that they are, tailoring your recommendations to their stated needs and goals. A child who “wobbles” is allowed to wobble. A child who wants to explore gender non-conforming presentation is given space to explore that presentation. A child who maintains their identified gender consistently, insistently, and persistently is given medication to pause their puberty until they are old enough to be prescribed HRT. “Wobblers” are not being prescribed medication, in the same way that (now, thankfully) secure trans kids are getting the interventions they need and not being subjected to bespoke, direct transphobia by medical professionals.
Recent studies have shown that the lion’s share of children (97.5%) who identify as trans at 8 still identified as trans 5 years later. The children who seek medical transition are not “wobbling.” They know who they are- in many cases have known for some time, and are seeking treatment to avoid irreparable damage to their future lives.
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danjuno
Cole Phelps, Badge 1247
It's very simple, portray LGBT people and drag queens as sexual predators (even when doing something that would not be controversial if a Cishet person does it, like reading a book to kids), so you can say "vote for me and I'll protect your kids by exterminating them!" Campaigning on genocide is now the norm on the right.
Snowygerry
Deity
It's dress up and young kids love dress up. I would bet that at least one of the kids wanted to try on their wigs.
I dunno that this means much. Parents can choose to all but let their kid die if they don't believe in certain kinds of medical care (sometimes in some places, someone can get a court to order a blood transfusion for a child against the wishes of Jehovah's Witness parents, but it's difficult even then).
It just shows that parental consent can be really problematic when they don't actually understand or want what's actually best for their child's health, and society and the law mostly let parents do that. It says nothing about whether gender affirming care is the best approach for trans minors (it is) or whether parents should obtain it for their trans kid (they should).
Sit in on a girls' sex ed. class and you'll find that 10-year-old girls are quite capable of feeling horrified about changes occurring and terrified if something seems wrong to them.
At the very least, don't dismiss it as trivial, like "she's 10, what could a kid that age know?" If something is scaring them, they need facts and guidance and empathy, not a dismissive attitude.
I realize that there are some people in this thread who really don't get where you're coming from. But to keep it civil and not alienate those of us who are honestly trying to understand, could you refrain from tarring everyone with the same brush? Thanks.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
I realize that there are some people in this thread who really don't get where you're coming from. But to keep it civil and not alienate those of us who are honestly trying to understand, could you refrain from tarring everyone with the same brush? Thanks.
I guess i get tired of cis people deciding that the existence of trans people is something that's "up for debate", even from those that say they're not hostile it still seems to be...
If that is so, why did you start this debate?
Snowygerry
Deity
"Cis" - means on "our side" (of something else) technically, "trans" is then the "other side", with a worldview like that how can you not be a oppressed minority ?
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Cloud_Strife
Deity
It's happening. The road to banning someone's existence and then acting in a way to make that so is, historically, very short.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say here?
Not really no.
You've started a discussion thread, on something you implicitly don't want to be debated.
Is this a protest?
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Trans people are equated to pedophiles and rapists, denied the very basic rights afforded automatically to cis people and have their very existence perpetually questioned by cis people.
In what world, in what universe is that not "opressed"? If this bigotry was targetted against Jewish people it'd be rightly considered anti semitic, but for some reason it's ok for hapless liberals to constantly "just ask questions" about whether trans people are who they say they are or just mentally ill and delusional
Snowygerry
Deity
Maybe where you live - here they are treated just like everybody else, one is even in the current cabinet, no one cares, it is not even mentioned on her wiki-page, it is really not a defining quality,
the US is a bit backwards in that regard...
the US is a bit backwards in that regard...
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Surely you have to realize the irony here.
Can you give an example of the anti trans hostility on this forum?
Something doesn't have to be debated to be discussed?
People share TV shows they like without having to be critical. Films, video games, there are plenty of longstanding discussion threads that can have debate in them, but are overwhelmingly people just sharing individual opinion. Insisting there has to be a debate is the entire point why threads like this keep being made - to demonstrate that it's not debatable and to offer information (that, among others, sophie has repeatedly provided in-thread) that would be useful to people who genuinely want to learn more.
If you don't want to learn more, and you don't want to discuss what has been provided, what are you here to do? Your own form of protest?
The constant tone-policing of trans posters that isn't applied consistently to other topics, whereby posters who have a close personal connection to the subject matter (like Ukrainians and Ukraine) is both recognised and indeed defended?
I mean, it could be a complete coincidence. But it happens enough of the time to be highlighted, and we'll see what people think to me pointing it out.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Cloud_Strife
Deity
You know as well as i do that until recently there were people in positions of power in this forum that portrayed trans people in disgusting ways.
And nothing was done, in fact even pointing it out gets me into trouble.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
I do not, otherwise I wouldn't have asked for examples.
If you fear repercussions for providing examples publicly, you could send them to my inbox.
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