Trump creates biggest foreign policy &#$@-up possible with just word and no actions.

[JollyRoger]

True, but I'll bet he hopes Netanyahu 'sees the light' and repents... Thats how I think evangelicals see Judaism within the Christian framework, Jews are God's chosen people who killed his son. But Moore hates the left, thats what inspires his anger. I'll bet he gets along quite well with right wing Jews.

He probably hopes that Netanyahu does not repent, but instead takes steps to help bring on end times.

 

[Zkribbler]

What did Moore say that was anti-semitic?

His copy of the Ten Comandments put up at his courthouse was the Protestant version, not the Jewish version.

 

[FriendlyFire]

The Congress passed some resolution or law back under Clinton which he signed recognizing Jerusalem as the capital with the option of Presidents delaying the construction of an embassy there.

Clinton never signed the legislation recognizing Jerusalem due to the freshly signed peace accords

Congress passed legislation accepting Jerusalem as Israel capital in 1995 — but Bill Clinton refused to sign the act

In 1995, Congress passed the “Jerusalem Embassy Act” which officially accepted Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and pledged to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to the historic city within four years.
“I will not let this happen and will use the legislation’s waiver authority to avoid damage to the peace process,” Clinton said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...rusalem-israel-capital-1995-article-1.3681235

 

[Berzerker]

“I will not let this happen and will use the legislation’s waiver authority to avoid damage to the peace process,” Clinton said.

So he didn't sign it but used the law's waiver provision to delay moving the embassy?

"Still, the bill automatically became law after 10 days of Congressional sessions when Clinton decided against signing it."

Did he veto the bill? He didn't sign it but it became law anyway, either Congress over rode his veto or he let it become law by doing nothing.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

It's almost as if symbolic gestures can have powerful impacts or something....

On a more tangible note, he didn't move the embassy either.

 

[Kyriakos]

He probably hopes that Netanyahu does not repent, but instead takes steps to help bring on end times.

Well, now it will be easier for jewish people to re-build the temple of Solomon

 

[FriendlyFire]

“I will not let this happen and will use the legislation’s waiver authority to avoid damage to the peace process,” Clinton said.
So he didn't sign it but used the law's waiver provision to delay moving the embassy?
"Still, the bill automatically became law after 10 days of Congressional sessions when Clinton decided against signing it."
Did he veto the bill? He didn't sign it but it became law anyway, either Congress over rode his veto or he let it become law by doing nothing.

Never signed the bill, didnt veto and used the wavier
Interesting that Bob Dole included a mandate that the US embassy must be move by 1996 and also added a wavier to allow postponement

That waiver authority was a critical escape valve for Clinton and his successors. Initially, the legislation introduced by then-Kansas senator Bob Dole (R) mandated that groundbreaking on a new embassy in Jerusalem begin in 1996. To quell concerns from Clinton allies on the Hill, Dole added a provision that allowed the president to postpone implementation of the move for six months if “such suspension is necessary to protect the national security interests of the United States.”

 

[Berzerker]

my mistake, I had msnbc on as background noise and heard it became law in '95 under Clinton so I assumed he signed it

 

[hobbsyoyo]

That was back in the halcyon days when proportionality was a thing. Dole could say he stuck up for Israel, Clinton could claim he was acting to dis-provoke violence and in the end there were no major consequences either way.

Now the Trump stance is to do every thing in extremes as much to provoke the other side as anything else. It's the reality TV theory of governance.

 

[GenMarshall]

Well this is certainly a risky move to make. What's next in Trump's parade? Officially recognizing Taiwan and pissing off the PROC?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

If he goes that route it'll probably be worse than that. He'll probably try and open a new military base there or something stupid and provocative.

I'm glad no one here is fixating on Trump's slurred speech. It sounded like his dentures were coming loose and not like he was drunk (and he doesn't drink) or having a stroke or something but the media has pounced on it like it's a big deal. There are plenty of reasons to be wary of Trump but this particular instance is a nothingburger and latching onto it I feel distracts from real issues and buys into the reality tv theory of governance.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Then Trump decides that the best answer to N.Korea's nuclear program is to place nuclear missiles on Taiwan.

 

[Kyriakos]

President Donald Turnip will make it more difficult for his regional allies like Turkey to keep supporting him ^^

Though i am not optimistic that there will be any major change as a reaction to his idiocy on this. Very sad - but expected- that miserable israeli PM Netanyahu said that this is a very important and positive development, and praised Trump.

 

[metalhead]

Mike Pence loves this. Why? Because declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel is another step towards the apocalypse. Seriously. That's the mental deficiency Pence operates with under the guise of "religion."

 

[Kyriakos]

In the case of a major war (eg in Palestine/Israel, or Turkey/Kurdistan etc), i am not seeing how current US will be able to intervene with a large force, given the support for war seems to be very depleted by now (granted, not due to pacifism in the US, but due to polarization).

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm glad no one here is fixating on Trump's slurred speech. It sounded like his dentures were coming loose...

Except for the perfection of our supreme leader demands that we acknowledge his perfect teeth are not dentures.

 

[Kyriakos]

You shouldn't vote 70 year-olds into office and expect non-senile decisions. Even with Bernie it would be risky. Leaders of a country should be a bit younger than that. And in the near past you had (running or elected) McCain, Trump, Hillary, Bernie, and potentially Biden.

 

[Zelig]

Nobody should care what the US recognizes as capitals of countries that aren't the US.

 

[metalhead]

I'm glad no one here is fixating on Trump's slurred speech. It sounded like his dentures were coming loose and not like he was drunk (and he doesn't drink) or having a stroke or something but the media has pounced on it like it's a big deal. There are plenty of reasons to be wary of Trump but this particular instance is a nothingburger and latching onto it I feel distracts from real issues and buys into the reality tv theory of governance.

It is worth noting, though, that you can short-circuit all of this media hysteria with just a little bit of transparency about the president's health. It's kind of a big deal.

 

[uppi]

No. The peace process has been in very poor conditions for decades now. Now there isn't a peace process.

Is having no peace process not a worse state of being than having a poor one?

I am not sure. Having no process might be better than one that has been a failure for two decades. In the latter situation, people might be more motivated to think of new ways to start a new peace process.