Cheetah
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Surely Pence and his ilk have been pushing this for a while.
Trump creates biggest foreign policy &#$@-up possible with just word and no actions.
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GenMarshall
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And setting the stage for an American-Shino War (aka World War III) if Trump makes the first move against Korea.
OneFootInThe...
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Schumer did, among others, this has bipartisan support.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ump-on-declaring-jerusalem-as-israels-capital
Lexicus
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That's a move that most Democrats support. Most Democrats are, unfortunately, right-wing Zionists to the extent they've examined the relevant issues at all.
Ajidica
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The amount of influence the Israeli government, specifically the current Israeli government and the conservative wings of their society, has over our government borders on obscene.
I mean, I get and am fine with "supporting" Israel in having strong diplomatic, economic, and security relations. The Israeli government, for all of its flaws, is still a functioning democracy with a fair and independent legal system. (And I would far rather have them then whatever sordid little President-for-Life we can dredge up in a neighboring country.) But when the nutty wings of Israeli society is able to lead us down a merry path to hell so they can try and achieve their "Greater Israel" wet dream it is infuriating when any criticism of the influence they have over our government is shouted down by all sides as "anti-Semitism" and peddling "Jewish conspiracy theories".
Berzerker
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thats the first I heard Democrats support Trump on this, funny how that works
Broken_Erika
Play with me.
And the last tiny shred credibility goes down the toilet. This is going to get real ugly, real fast.
It is a terrible situation. And it isn't about having politicians in the US who are jewish (compare with there having been, and being, greek politicians in the US, but no actual pro-Greece US position), it has to do with specific interest groups and very problematic deals regarding Israel.
When Trump does his most cretinous move yet, and you see by-partisan support of it, you know that things are systemically messed up and inherently dangerous. So, yeah, whoever advised Trump to do so, knew what they were doing.
hobbsyoyo
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I agree with you.
It is hard to have a strong pro-Greek stance when it has the potential to piss off the rest of the EU. The EU is big enough and cohesive it enough that when relations with certain members has the potential to sour relations with the whole, you have to take a cautious stance.
It would be hyperbole for me to ask why Greece doesn't have a pro-California stance as if that were on the same level as US-Greek relations. However that suggestion is not entirely without basis either.
It is hard to have a strong pro-Greek stance when it has the potential to piss off the rest of the EU. The EU is big enough and cohesive it enough that when relations with certain members has the potential to sour relations with the whole, you have to take a cautious stance.
It would be hyperbole for me to ask why Greece doesn't have a pro-California stance as if that were on the same level as US-Greek relations. However that suggestion is not entirely without basis either.
Tom Hanks is in California, so that is enough for me to have a pro-California stance
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Lol, this is a team that current prime minister of Israel publicly supports (surely also to take votes, but still) and they even have a chant saying "here we are; the most racist team in the country"
The US must at some time un-glue itself from 100% support of Israel.
Then again, look at its other allies in the region: Saudi (monarchy), Egypt (dictatorship) and Turkey (for which there are many epithets, but it isn't a democracy other than in name).
Lol, this is a team that current prime minister of Israel publicly supports (surely also to take votes, but still) and they even have a chant saying "here we are; the most racist team in the country"
The US must at some time un-glue itself from 100% support of Israel.
Then again, look at its other allies in the region: Saudi (monarchy), Egypt (dictatorship) and Turkey (for which there are many epithets, but it isn't a democracy other than in name).
GoodSarmatian
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And from Athens to Constantinople.
Timsup2nothin
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Maybe first move the capital?
Forget it! America is great again! If we arbitrarily move our embassy you better just get your capital tagging along.
Cheetah
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But can you imagine how livid Erdog would be!?Maybe first move the capital?
Snerk
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OK nutty conspiracy time: what if Trump's grotesque support of the Israeli far right sionist wing, is the only platform from which actual process in peace talks is possible? Israel clearly don't care one iota about international criticism. Nor do they care when the criticism is coming from the white house (Obama). As long as an american congressional majority is flying an unconditional Israeli endorsement, Bibi is laughing all the way to the blood bank.
So what if Trump is actually positioning himself in the only place where he can hold any real sway over Netanyahu's government, and thus initiate progress in peace talks?
Like I said, it's nutty indeed, but think about it.
So what if Trump is actually positioning himself in the only place where he can hold any real sway over Netanyahu's government, and thus initiate progress in peace talks?
Like I said, it's nutty indeed, but think about it.
GoodSarmatian
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I think there's a different plan here.
Before the apocalypse and Jesus's second coming, Jerusalem must belong to Israel.
That's step one.
Step two is the removal of Trump and the start of the Pence presidency.
Step three is launching all the nukes at everyone to bring about armageddon.
Before the apocalypse and Jesus's second coming, Jerusalem must belong to Israel.
That's step one.
Step two is the removal of Trump and the start of the Pence presidency.
Step three is launching all the nukes at everyone to bring about armageddon.
innonimatu
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The two state solution has been dead for a long time, might as well kill it formally. The israeli rabid right believed it would not grant them enough land to endure, and they might be right. The price is that now they get the problem of the arab inhabitants and it's one they cannot solve.
I know that usually multi-ethnic states are a recipe for disaster, but also some outside power must intervene to bring about that disaster. And with Israel having nuclear weapons that becomes much harder. It may work there, it just may. After all the lebanese somehow managed to keep their country together after the end of the civil war. But in any case the apartheid must end, which will require the defeat of that rabid right.
I know that usually multi-ethnic states are a recipe for disaster, but also some outside power must intervene to bring about that disaster. And with Israel having nuclear weapons that becomes much harder. It may work there, it just may. After all the lebanese somehow managed to keep their country together after the end of the civil war. But in any case the apartheid must end, which will require the defeat of that rabid right.
