Turkey v Kurds

hobbsyoyo said:
If the Turks go full-on with their own little genocide, it could lead to them either being kicked out of NATO or the alliance breaking up. Either way, Russia wins bigly.
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At most there will be toothless economic sanctions against Turkey. Which is good for Russia, but it would be better if Turkey stayed away from Syria.

Commodore said:
That's why we should be supporting a Kurdish revolution in Turkey. Not only for them to get their own nation, but for them to take over the entirety of Turkey. That way we could get rid of the problematic Turks, but still keep the nation itself in NATO, denying Russia their strategic victory.
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Kurds are minority in Turkey and "problematic Turks" are majority.
By all means, go for this revolution. All you can achieve is Turkey breaking up into several states, which will be Russia's strategic victory.

Imaus said:
It would be something like a Federal Pluralistic Republic of Asia/Anatolia. But it's a fantasy and Commodore was talking out of bad faith.
No one is going to kick the Turks out for a relatively minor conflict in Syria. No one in power cares enough.
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Exactly.
 
Colon said:
Worth nothing the exasperating short-sightedness of European politicians here. The SDF had been begging to take back several thousands of European IS-fighters and try them in their home countries. European politicians did jack all, disregarding that even without the war going on, a ramshackle statelet might not be the most secure holding location for them.
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They didn't "do jack all". Some europeans (Paris, London...) allowed those jihadis to go to Syria, knowing fully well what they were up to. They sent them financial assistance and weapons, and were ready to bomb the syrians resisting them, to assist those savages in turning Syria into a totally broken state, just as they had done just before in Libya. If they had an american skirt to hide under, as usual. The americans backed off, and those europeans then pretended they had nothing to do with the partly realized destruction of Syria.
 
Commodore said:
That's why we should be supporting a Kurdish revolution in Turkey. Not only for them to get their own nation, but for them to take over the entirety of Turkey. That way we could get rid of the problematic Turks, but still keep the nation itself in NATO, denying Russia their strategic victory.
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You forgot the /s
Turkey did shift to the west and the EU for a while, but well the population then decided it would be pulled backwards to Islam and the Middle east again. You cannot impose this onto a nation, at least not with investing massive amounts of money and support
Just wait for Turkish economy to implode again, the Military will then just overthrow the government and restore / preserve democracy.

Just like you cannot force the US to elect good presidents
 
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red_elk said:
Kurds are minority in Turkey and "problematic Turks" are majority.
By all means, go for this revolution. All you can achieve is Turkey breaking up into several states, which will be Russia's strategic victory
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If that happens, NATO can just deploy a Greek-led peacekeeping force to occupy the country and restore stability.
 
Commodore said:
If that happens, NATO can just deploy a Greek-led peacekeeping force to occupy the country and restore stability.
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Geostrategically (humanitarian issues aside), what you are proposing is Russia's dream. A war between first and second largest NATO armies.
Our government may even rent you airfields for that and help with logistics like they did in Afghanistan. But EU may be unhappy with another huge wave of refugees.
 
Coming soon. ISIS 2.0! Brought to you by Turkey and the Trump Administration.
BBC said:
Turkey-Syria offensive: 'Hundreds' of IS relatives escape camp
Hundreds of foreigners affiliated with the Islamic State group (IS) have escaped from a camp in northern Syria amid a Turkish offensive, Kurdish officials say.

They say detainees attacked gates at the Ain Issa displacement camp as fighting raged nearby.

Turkey launched an assault last week aimed at driving Kurdish-led forces from the region.

The UN says 130,000 people have fled their homes, and the figure may rise.

Turkey accuses the Kurds of being terrorists and says it wants to force them away from a "safe zone" reaching some 30km into Syria.

It also plans to resettle more than three million Syrian refugees who are currently in Turkey inside the zone.

President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw US troops from the area effectively triggered the Turkish incursion against the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) - the main Western allies in the fight against IS.

Separately on Sunday, US Defence Secretary Mark Esper told CBS News the US was now preparing to evacuate about 1,000 troops who remain in northern Syria.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50029540
 
The "Free Syrian Army" (aka moderate rebels) are participating in the attack. On Turkish side, of course.
They indeed fought the ISIS in the region couple of years ago, but not very successfully. Kurds did the job better.
 
Commodore said:
If that happens, NATO can just deploy a Greek-led peacekeeping force to occupy the country and restore stability.
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It wasn't NATO but kind of the same parties, and didn't work out well for Greece when they though they had a go ahead back in 1919. I don't think they're going to fall for it again.

Broken_Erika said:
Coming soon. ISIS 2.0! Brought to you by Turkey and the Trump Administration.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50029540
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And if they make it to turkish lines the turks will either recycle them or set them loose on those brilliant european governments who supported that whole crapfest in Syria. I wonder which...
My guess is that Erdogan is going to receive another massive EU bribe.
 
innonimatu said:
And if they make it to turkish lines the turks will either recycle them or set them loose on those brilliant european governments who supported that whole crapfest in Syria. I wonder which...
My guess is that Erdogan is going to receive another massive EU bribe.
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Nah that wont work a second time, the border exits from Greece, Italy, Bulgaria are now fortified to block a repeat and trap any mass movement of refugees inside Greece
Greece will try to get some EU money, but will soon realise this isnt a winning strategy either, once they are placed in some remote island the flow of refugees will stop.
 
Both very r16 and bound to make him mad :D
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ı told you so .

(post #5000 and am still alive . Who would have known , who would have believed ?)
 
BTW:
Kurds were betrayed by Kissinger, then by Bush the senior and now Trump
I think its hilarious that they have been sold out by three Republican administraions.
 
innonimatu said:
It wasn't NATO but kind of the same parties, and didn't work out well for Greece when they though they had a go ahead back in 1919. I don't think they're going to fall for it again.
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There isn't any way for Greece to send peace-keeping/other forces to Turkey. There is no popular support/ Greece isn't militaristic at all. Besides, there would be no gain. If Turkey is partitioned, the westernmost parts (eg Thrace. Actually, just Thrace, if such a thing happens) cannot realistically be given to anyone else (lol, there is also Bulgaria). If it doesn't, why go into that red apple tree (@r16 :p ) hole :)
At least this time France won't insist on having Turkey keep Thrace, as in 1923. Cause France is a known destroyer of anything good.
 
SAA is being deployed in Rojava, but didn't go into 30-km Turkish "zone of interest" so far.
Seems like their territory was divided on Turkish and Russian/Syrian spheres of influence. Let's see what will happen in other border cities like Kobani.
Feel sorry for the Kurds, but it was their fault that they chose wrong allies to rely on.
 
red_elk said:
SAA is being deployed in Rojava, but didn't go into 30-km Turkish "zone of interest" so far.
Seems like their territory was divided on Turkish and Russian/Syrian spheres of influence. Let's see what will happen in other border cities like Kobani.
Feel sorry for the Kurds, but it was their fault that they chose wrong allies to rely on.
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They were also allied to Russia. Some help they got :P
 
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