That adds a new dimension indeed
Israel is heading to its fourth election in two years.
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That adds a new dimension indeed
Israel is heading to its fourth election in two years.
The draft legislation was published on Tuesday
https://www.ft.com/content/3aedfe03-5cd1-4b8f-a2a3-3fb7903047a4
Just as important its going to make it so actions taken using the Royal Perogative (like proroguing Parliament) can't be challenged in the courts.
A written constitution with changes needing qualified majorities to pass both chambers would really be helpful.
But yeah... in that case you chain yourself with the votes of the past and with crossborder qualified majorities.
and that proroquing Parliament is made easier... sad and stupid.
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The proroguing of Parliament for anything other than a general election is something that Parliament should have a say on, not the courts.
If the Royal Prerogative is abused like it was in Summer 2019, then Parliament still wouldn't get a say, as they wouldn't be sitting. Does Johnson really think he'll be Prime Minister for life, like a certain orange buffoon seemed to think?
EnglishEdward
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Parliament can amend the draft legislation to ensure it gets a say before the legislation is passed.
This shouldn't be a left-right issue.
What Boris is doing is increasing the power of the executive for his short-term convenience, nary a thought for the long-term consequences.
So much for the Tories being the party of small government (it hasn't been that way for the last 40 years).
What Boris is doing is increasing the power of the executive for his short-term convenience, nary a thought for the long-term consequences.
So much for the Tories being the party of small government (it hasn't been that way for the last 40 years).
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They are not slaves. They can ignore the whip.
I agree.
That is merely one interpretation. Another interpretation is that if the fixed term parliament act is abolished,
it again becomes possible for the Queen to dissolve Parliament if Boris no longer commands a majority.
I have the suspicion that the Royal Household may not have liked its traditional roles in dissolving
Parliament and temporarily proroguing Parliament being side lined by the Act and by the Courts.
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I guess that's important for the UK politics thread as they own the Labour Party functionaries and current leader.
Remind me - what happened to the bunch of Tories who rebelled in 2019, one of whom was Churchill's own grandson?
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Who cares. They were not whipped and sold to work in the mines.
They were also stupid. They should have waited until Boris
won his election and then revolted and enjoyed 4 years pay.
They were also stupid. They should have waited until Boris
won his election and then revolted and enjoyed 4 years pay.
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You mean they were just stupid, and might not possibly have be genuinely incensed about something other than money they might think matter?
Is that what the UK public expects from its elected representatives? If so, it might explain some things. Not looking good though.
My post was aimed at the governance instabilty of having all the time elections.
Here in NL there are for many people issues with Israel because of the way Israel treats Palestinians. Also among people following Jewish traditions.
We have had in Amsterdam many Jewish Mayors. Which is no surprise to us because our Socialist-SocialDemocratic parties and the Trade Unions have such a long and alligned history and Amsterdam was (and is) a key Socialist-SocialDemocratic stronghold. You can for example still see that reflected in a century long care for well-tended social housing (currently a bit below 40%)
When we got many Jewish refugees out of Portugal (around 1600) these people needed jobs and because they were excluded from most guilds many got a job in the diamond industrious activities which was grown in the end of the 19th century into an important economical sector of Amsterdam (also because of the South-African Diamond mines). Also in the 19th century the poor Jews in that sector organised themselves against their bosses and got solidarity from the well paid and indespansable key craftsmen. Around 1900 they were by far the biggest and also best organised trade union.
Other trade unions started to grow like cabbage in the following decades also based on the organisation and money supply by the diamond trade union.
In effect the social-democratic Jews here are the first line of defense against the right-wing Israel policies and interferences.
Be careful about throwing Israel and Social-Democracy just on one heap with negative connotations.
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EnglishEdward
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Even so, if they cared about principles more than about money, then they would have better served those principles by not losing
the conservative whip, and standing for re-election as conservatives and then re-elected being in Parliament to progress their principles.
As it is by rebelling againt Boris on various nominally spurious grounds, really IMO because they did't like him, they went into obscurity.
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I am not going to go into the varying details as to why each former conservative MP chose not to follow the government whip.
The point is that UK MPs are not obliged to follow the party whip being accountable to their conscious and their electors.
Jeremy Corbyn managed to break the party whip and survive as an MP, the conservative dissidents were less smart.
The point is that UK MPs are not obliged to follow the party whip being accountable to their conscious and their electors.
Jeremy Corbyn managed to break the party whip and survive as an MP, the conservative dissidents were less smart.
It is a political philosophy argument: either the MP's are principally responsible for their votes during the parliament that the voters choose them for, and so should vote in the best interests of their constituents in all cases, or they are responsible for their selection by the party and success in the elections, and so should vote according to the effect it will have on their reelection. They cannot both be true, and which is true comes down to the source of sovereignty.
I quite like the idea of Schrodinger's Representative, in that actually in some sense the truth is in a superposition of both, in that you can convince people that either are true. Once you make an observation then the quantum wave function collapses. Ie. when an ejected tory writes his "tell all memoirs" we get to see one interpretation of the truth.
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