Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
I also believe that the working class is a conspiracy against itself. Got all my bases covered, me.
UKIP go from strength to strength
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Hygro
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That makes sense. Can't consign a group of people to a working class in a classless society of free peoples.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Nicely dodged Quacks.
Quackers
The Frog
I haven't dodged anything. I just failed to understand it.
In the past court jesters could mock the King and get away with it.
Now in the modern era, these court jesters actively support the values of the establishment. Fact.
In the past court jesters could mock the King and get away with it.
Now in the modern era, these court jesters actively support the values of the establishment. Fact.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
The old jesters supported the values of the establishment, too: they mocked individuals in power, not the systems of power themselves. If these guys had seriously challenged the distribution of power and property, they'd have been out of a job at the very least. You can't expect establishment media to bring you subversive comedy on a regular basis; the best you can hope for is the occasional Stewart Lee or somebody to slip through the cracks because their stuff is so buried in irony and self-effacement that it prevents only a very oblique challenge to the status quo.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Have you watched a Top Gear special recently?
brennan
Argumentative Brit
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Was i not clear enough in my comment? What in it did you not understand? Regardless, I am still waiting Quackers, what politically inconveniant truths do you have to tell us? I'm giving you the opportunity to enlighten us.
I'm genuinely curious as to what you have to say.
I'm genuinely curious as to what you have to say.
brennan
Argumentative Brit
More like the Pak'mara. 
One might even argue that the occasional opportunity to overturn power relationships in a ritualised environment makes those relationships even stronger. It's hard to hate your boss if he drinks, sings and dances with you at the office Christmas party, and you're therefore more likely to accept your position in the office. Furthermore, if you get the occasional opportunity to land a tackle on him on the rugby field, it can serve as an outlet of pressure which would otherwise have to find a release in more subversive ways. This seems to be the rationale behind rituals like the Roman saturnalia, where the positions of masters and slaves were ritually exchanged for a day.
Oruc
Reactionary
It's nothing at all alike you buffoon. If on the other hand I had said those two Republicans are representing Massachussetts in the House of Representatives then I would be right and that is the equivalent to what I'm saying.
Truronian is saying that a party that is present in 3 out of 4 regions of the UK isn't a national party he is clearly wrong, this is the EU parliament it has more power then the national government it's supposed to be quite important people like him would tell you.
Quackers
The Frog
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
This whole face is just UKIP's "anti-establishment" credentials in a nutshell. Out with the nasty, Europhillic, establishment minion, in with the, er, same man wearing a more garishly coloured rosette? Insurgency defined. 
Or looking at it from another direction, the fact that criticising the king is the sole perogative of the fool, a semi-outsider figure, emphasises that such criticisms are transgressive and abnormal. On the one hand, as you say, the fool mocks the king so that we don't have to, and on the other, the fool mocks him so that we cannot. You might even extend the same logic to your example of rugby: it's okay to express agression against your boss in the ritual space of the playing field, which emphasises the fact that it is not acceptable to do so outside of it. It's a pyschological release that enforces the repression of the very anxieties and frustrations it serves to release.
Ah, good point - hadn't quite considered it to the end of its implications.
That chap on the left seems to be demonstrating 'once Eton and the Guards, always Eton and the Guards'.
That chap on the left seems to be demonstrating 'once Eton and the Guards, always Eton and the Guards'.
Alba
Chieftain
What the hell? UKIP has one MP in parliament but they take priority over the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the Northern Irish parties? The SNP has six times more MPs than UKIP (and they are projected to significantly increase that amount), and more than double the membership (and rising by the day), but yet they will have no platform to debate on?
Talk about English domination! There is no fair representation. If this is a democracy, then I don't know what is. Stick the Union up your arse.
I don't blame the English people, it isn't your fault.
SeekTruthFromFacts
King
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I agree that this is out of order. Polls are less important than actual results. Although historically election coverage has also been based on the number of candidates and UKIP may well outperform all other minor parties combined on that front.
GinandTonic
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As with Griffin I say give them enough rope to hang themselves. Quakers, iirc, thought it was shameful how Griffin looked a fool when he had a chance to play with the big boys. Lets hope his new white hope can do a little better.
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