UKIP go from strength to strength

[Truronian]

What makes you think that? They have MEPs from Wales and Scotland

So by that definition are Labour also a regional party because they mostly get support from urban areas?
UKIP have a set of policies for the entire United Kingdom. They do not set out to represent a narrow geographical constituency in Wales. They are a nationwide party. In addition, as oruc pointed out, UKIP have MEPs from outside England. Should we ignore that section of the electorate?

I don't believe MEPs is the best way to judge support for a party, especially when that party's key policy is Europe related. There is minor support for UKIP outside of England and Wales, so they are in effect a regional party. Unless of course all it takes to be considered a national party is to declare oneself such?

I will be bold and claim i have a half decent reason. Political parties which explicitly run on issues important to a particular area of the country and have no interest in the rest of the UK shouldn't be on QT unless they're in those areas. Why would you have a Plaid Cymru representative in a QT broadcast from Belfast?

Because the questions on QT are rarely region specific, and the show is broadcast nationally.

So you admit that's the case then?
So why is it ok that the BBC allow an extra left wing voice whenever an entertainer is on the program?

I was making a joke. Whenever I have watched the show in recently (I haven't had the time to watch it recently) the format has usually been one MP from the big three, with a random right winger and a random left winger to even things out.

 

[Quackers]

I thought I would post this:


Link to video.

Carswell, UKIP MP, excelling on national telly.

 

[useless]

If only

But instead they'll get disproportionate coverage because otherwise "left-wing bias"

 

[Tahuti]

I remember one British comedian (Hugh Dennis, I think) talking about that. He said that "the right" has positioned itself as a defender of the pre-existing social order, with the following assumption that those who are interested in defending the pre-existing social order are those who are benefiting from it. Meanwhile, "the left" has set itself up as defending those who are harmed by the pre-existing social order. He claimed that poking fun at "the right" is easier for people to find funny because you are poking fun at people who are well off and secure. On the other hand, poking fun at the disadvantaged comes off poorly and mean-spirited.

The pre-existing order is mostly (bourgeois) Left, which may appear Right to the academic Left, but is hardly Right. Society is fundamentally based on Left-Wing ideals such as unconditional equality and individuals instead of families. And everyone in actual positions of power today owes to a roughly egalitarian framework, as incosistent as it may be.

 

[Oruc]

I don't believe MEPs is the best way to judge support for a party, especially when that party's key policy is Europe related. There is minor support for UKIP outside of England and Wales, so they are in effect a regional party. Unless of course all it takes to be considered a national party is to declare oneself such?

What a load of waffle and you're a teacher of all things! They have enough support to have elected representatives from Wales, Scotland and England nothing you've said here nullifies that.

 

[Quackers]

I don't believe MEPs is the best way to judge support for a party, especially when that party's key policy is Europe related. There is minor support for UKIP outside of England and Wales, so they are in effect a regional party. Unless of course all it takes to be considered a national party is to declare oneself such?

Absolutely, why not? UKIP have demonstrated support outside England and desire non-English votes, when Plaid Cymru start running candidates in the Shetland Islands and London then you may have a point.

Because the questions on QT are rarely region specific, and the show is broadcast nationally.

..and you would let parties which have no interest outside their particular geographical corner begin talking about a nationwide policies? So the DUP will have a chance to broadcast their policies crafted toward the Belfast constituency to the wider country? That makes no sense.

was making a joke. Whenever I have watched the show in recently (I haven't had the time to watch it recently) the format has usually been one MP from the big three, with a random right winger and a random left winger to even things out.

So what is it? You do recognise that the entertainer is typically left wing? So the BBC is biased in favour of a left of centre POV?

 

[Quackers]

Link to video.

 

[useless]

What a load of waffle and you're a teacher of all things! They have enough support to have elected representatives from Wales, Scotland and England nothing you've said here nullifies that.

Ukip has a single MEP from Scotland and no councillors and MPs or MSPs in it.

They hardly represent us and in they're seen as being more of a middle-england party than a national party up here.

 

[Oruc]

Ukip has a single MEP from Scotland and no councillors and MPs or MSPs in it.

They hardly represent us and in they're seen as being more of a middle-england party than a national party up here.

Wrong they have an MEP representing you in the European parliament.

 

[useless]

I stand by the comment that they hardly represent scotland.

 

[Oruc]

I stand by the comment that they hardly represent scotland.

You mean you didn't vote for them but you're annoyed other people did, so you're going to put your fingers in your ears and shout "I can't hear you". Welcome to democracy

 

[Takhisis]

Quite possibly, yes, but to suggest that Westminster lied to the Scottish electorate is to pour aspersions on every elected MP in the Commons, which is just as insulting (and foolish to boot).

Given that party blocs tend to enforce strict obedience, their leaders are perceived as speaking in the name of the others. Unless Clegg's/Cameron's/Milliband's colleagues decided to disown their statements, party leaders are seen as speaking with the full backing of their groups. In effect, Cameron's words are seen as representing the Conservative Party, Clegg's the Liberals and so on.

(…)That said, I've watched a lot of British comedy/panel shows and from what I've seen Cameron, Blair, Milliband, Clegg, and Brown all are made fun of in equal amount. The BNP and UKIP are routinely mocked only because their members make it so easy.

Which one -if any- of those politicians are you counting as left-wing?

Wrong they have an MEP representing you in the European parliament.

He said 'hardly'. He didn't say 'not at all'.

 

[Quackers]

Link to video.

I never went into the House of Commons for the company, I went there for change, I'm going back there for change, my friends are here in Clacton. I am friendly to people in the House of Commons, but I'm in the House of Commons to get change not there to be buddy-buddy to people in the whip's office

Given the vitriolic attacks made on Mark Reckless by the toxic Westminster machine on their character, I don't know they may not want too, but if fear is what is holding the Tory party together, it is pretty ominous for May next year

 

[jackelgull]

You mean you didn't vote for them but you're annoyed other people did, so you're going to put your fingers in your ears and shout "I can't hear you". Welcome to democracy

Saying that UKIP has representation in Scotland because of one MEP is like saying that Massachussetts is a Republican state because it voted one or two Republicans into the House of Representatives.

 

[Truronian]

What a load of waffle and you're a teacher of all things! They have enough support to have elected representatives from Wales, Scotland and England nothing you've said here nullifies that.

WAFFLES!

Absolutely, why not? UKIP have demonstrated support outside England and desire non-English votes, when Plaid Cymru start running candidates in the Shetland Islands and London then you may have a point.

We'll have to disagree on this on then.

..and you would let parties which have no interest outside their particular geographical corner begin talking about a nationwide policies? So the DUP will have a chance to broadcast their policies crafted toward the Belfast constituency to the wider country? That makes no sense.

Most DUP policies don't mention NI at all. Are they not allowed to comment on wider UK issues? Are the Northern Irish not allowed to watch Question Time when it's filmed outside of NI?

So what is it? You do recognise that the entertainer is typically left wing? So the BBC is biased in favour of a left of centre POV?

The entertainer is often left wing, but I don't believe that leads to your second conclusion.

 

[Flying Pig]

..and you would let parties which have no interest outside their particular geographical corner begin talking about a nationwide policies? So the DUP will have a chance to broadcast their policies crafted toward the Belfast constituency to the wider country? That makes no sense.

Yes, imagine if one of the main parties focused their polices towards rich, white people in the South East and then tried to force them onto the whole country... Or poor, urban people in the North, for that matter.

 

[Traitorfish]

Well the existing social order is left wing. The establishment and the institutions are all in favor of the socially liberal position. To claim that Huge Dennis (and I'm surprised he was the one who said that as his humor is typically neutral and apolitical) is some type of anti-establishment figure who is bravely contradicting political consensus is hilarious because it is so incorrect. I just checked his Wikipedia page, he has had an extremely privileged upbringing like many British comedians. The days have long gone where the court jester could say politically inconvenient truths. They all parrot the same old left wing bollocks.

The pre-existing order is mostly (bourgeois) Left, which may appear Right to the academic Left, but is hardly Right. Society is fundamentally based on Left-Wing ideals such as unconditional equality and individuals instead of families. And everyone in actual positions of power today owes to a roughly egalitarian framework, as incosistent as it may be.

See, this is how you can tell you guys is nutso. I'm an anarchist, right, I think the whole world is out to get me, but I don't think that it's "right wing". I think that mechanical clocks are a conspiracy against the working class, and I still don't have anywhere near the same level of victim complex that you have. And that really should make you pause and reflect on your life-choices.

 

[Tahuti]

See, this is how you can tell you guys is nutso. I'm an anarchist, right, I think the whole world is out to get me, but I don't think that it's "right wing". I think that mechanical clocks are a conspiracy against the working class, and I still don't have anywhere near the same level of victim complex that you have. And that really should make you pause and reflect on your life-choices.

I don't feel persecuted at all. Rather, I feel society is on a path of self-destruction. See my societal collapse thread for example.

 

[bhsup]

I think that mechanical clocks are a conspiracy against the working class

You never struck me as an Apple Watch kind of guy...

 

[Hygro]

I think that mechanical clocks are a conspiracy against the working class

Mechanical clocks aren't a conspiracy against the working class.

Mechanical clocks fathered the working class.