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[GS] Unique Unit Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Kmart_Elvis, Jul 20, 2019.

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  1. Architect

    Architect Prince

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6 (9-3) +4 era score!
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 28
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 18
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 24
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 6
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 5
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 25
    Mountie (Canada) - 18
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 26
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 18
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 25
    Varu (India) - 25 (24 + 1) These are broken.
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  2. Troy Bruckner

    Troy Bruckner Prince

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6 (9-3) +4 era score!
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 28 +1 = 29 Best unit in game for its era
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 18
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 24
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 6 -3 = 3 clearly not a top unit.
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 5
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 25
    Mountie (Canada) - 18
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 26
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 18
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 25
    Varu (India) - 25 (24 + 1) These are broken.
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  3. Kmart_Elvis

    Kmart_Elvis King

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 18
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 24
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - ELIMINATED (3-3) Simply put, GS has made them weaker. No longer as special as they were.
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 5
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 25
    Mountie (Canada) - 18
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27 (26+1) Destined to be in the top 3. Early warfare is still king.
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 18
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 25
    Varu (India) - 25 (24 + 1) These are broken.
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  4. bengalryan9

    bengalryan9 King

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 15 (18-3) Yeah, it comes earlier, but it's still a weaker field cannon that can't move if it wants to actually attack. The negatives outweigh the positive.
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25 (24+1) Early frigates are incredibly useful, especially when you can buy them with faith as soon as you research them and they have no resource cost. Good at shuttling units around too.
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 5
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 25
    Mountie (Canada) - 18
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 18
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 25
    Varu (India) - 25
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  5. Atlas627

    Atlas627 Deity

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 15
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 17 (20-3) Double-checked the code, and it seems the Stable doesn't give Ranged Cavalry units the xp boost, and the policies to boost production don't work on them either. What kind of unit doesn't even work like a basic unit with basic abilities? This one.
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 5
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 25
    Mountie (Canada) - 18
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 19 (18+1) Being able to conquer foreign continents is pretty sweet and actually underrated. While you no longer get more of these as you conquer, its still a pretty good unit. Bummer that you have to hard build them though
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 25
    Varu (India) - 25
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  6. Disgustipated

    Disgustipated Deity

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12 (15-3): while being cheap is nice, it lacks the versatility you want out of ranged units. Can't think of a single Korea game where these have ever had an impact, for me or the AI.
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 17
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 5
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 25
    Mountie (Canada) - 18
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 19
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 25
    Varu (India) - 26 (25+1) These heavy hitters are useful for quite a long time, and if you have enough culture to corps them up, can be useful even longer.
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  7. Hogimus

    Hogimus Chieftain

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14 (17-3) The buff to all Calvary plus sharing the same end tree bonus of light calvary makes these guys pretty irrelevant especially for something you have to hard build.
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 5
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 25
    Mountie (Canada) - 19 (18+1) Being able to reliably spam national parks while saving faith for rock bands is very powerful. Another bonus is that you get +4 era score every time you make a national park, so spamming these guys guarantees golden ages after you get them (which you then use to get Wish You Were Here).
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 19
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 25
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
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  8. Navelgazer

    Navelgazer King

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 2 (5 - 3) That these aren't as bad as they were in Vanilla isn't reason enough for them to stick around now.
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26 (25 + 1) Bumping these guys up again for pure fun value as well as the simple fact that you can own any coastal city on the map once you own these.

    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 19
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 25
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  9. MrRadar

    MrRadar Emperor

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30 (29+1) Makes your enemy troops work your fields. So satisfying.
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 2
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16 (19-3) I don't know exactly what, but something irritates me in the design of the Redcoat. Why it is not just a better Musketman? Now you still have to get 3 Muskets for Replaceable parts eureka, it must be hard built and competes with Muskets for niter. You may get some free, yes, but with all that mass of free ships England gets, the role of Redcoats wasn't very prominent in my games, so far.
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 25
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  10. DWilson

    DWilson Where am I? What turn is it?

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - ELIMINATED (2-3) These are just really hard to make use outside of a very flat map, and they are too expensive. In V, mobile ranged units could be king. In V, movement costs were more forgiving, and many unique units had the ability to move after attacking. In VI, this is a failed attempt at that magic.
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 26 (25+1) These are some fairly powerful units, and you can easily set up a healing base with their improvement just outside of the opponent's borders as an added bonus.
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  11. Loderingo

    Loderingo Warlord

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 24 (23+1) - very versatile and work well with the extra movement from surprise war
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 17 (20-3) - Should be one of the next to go. Not keen on units with terrain bonuses. Often see Kongo get beaten up by stronger military civs.
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 26
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 12
     
  12. Hammurabbit

    Hammurabbit Warlord

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 6
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25 = 24 + 1. Great for fast conquest and combines lovely with macedon abilities. Love it
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 23
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 26
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 24
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 9 = 12-3, Simply not powerful enough compared to what's available, and the push mechanism often mess up my tactics
     
  13. monstercat

    monstercat Warlord

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 3 (6 - 3) Basically a faster anti-cavalry unit that gains extra CS by not moving. I cannot see the point.
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 24 fixed
    Impi (Zulu) - 18
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 17 fixed
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 26
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 25 (24 + 1) What if we made a recon unique that was actually good? It's a faster, cheaper Crossbowman that can attack twice in 1 turn. And if you upgrade Scouts with the Ambush promotion into them, then it just becomes silly.
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 9

    Fixed Immortal and Ngao Mbeba scores (Loderingo's votes were skipped)
     
  14. Leucarum

    Leucarum Emperor

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 3
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 24
    Impi (Zulu) - 15 (18 - 3) Still an anti-cavalry unit for all its cheapness.
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 22
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 17
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 27 (26 + 1) Not as nuts as they once were but still a solid unit.
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 25
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 9
     
  15. Atlas627

    Atlas627 Deity

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 3
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 24
    Impi (Zulu) - 15
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 23 (22+1) Now this is a Swordsman unique. Builders to build, Legions to chop chop chop
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 14 (17-3) Kinda boring; doesn't make me play any differently with them.
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 27
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 25
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 9
     
  16. Troy Bruckner

    Troy Bruckner Prince

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Carolean (Sweden) - 3 - 3 = 0 Not horrid, but clearly not near the top. clear the board of this one.
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30 +1 = 31 Best base melee unit in game hands down.
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 24
    Impi (Zulu) - 15
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 23
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 14
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 27
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 25
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 9
     
  17. Icicle

    Icicle Prince

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 31
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 24
    Impi (Zulu) - 15
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 23
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 14
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 27
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 22 (21+1) Gonna toss these guys an upvote because of how fun it is to just burn every inch of an enemy's coast in the early game when they can't even reach you.
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 25
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 6 (9-3) The way GS reconfigured Cav units has left these guys feeling decidedly meh.
     
  18. enKage

    enKage Follower of Zoamelgustar

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    Finally my fav egyptian chariots are gone, so I have to find sth another. My heart will be broken if I vote winged hussars down, so....

    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 31
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 21 (24-3) I don't understand so high rank at the moment. It is only 30 strength and ranged is the same as archer, so they die easily against nearly everything if not in mass to get a formation of 2 lines to replace wounded line. If not offensive surprise war, they will easily loose to every opposite regular swords and archer formation as switching the lines will be more difficult due to terrain features. At the same time they are more expennsive than regular swordsman. IMO it is Curys' ability of surprise war to not make it a complete trash. At the same moment Persia has NO posibilities to bost strenght as especially on high dificulties early great general is nearly impossible to get as Persia. I dont understand why it is ranked higher now than legion, among swordman replacement I even like Ngao Mbema more. I know immortals are not the weakest at this stage of elimination, but they are definitely too high on the list for me now. Now at least they are leveled with hypaspist on this list, even thou macedonian swords are far better in my opinion (better base str + support + guaranteed GG + better at siege + crazy cheap on iron)
    Impi (Zulu) - 15
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 23
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 15 (14+1) After latest patch rainforest is more common, so they unique abilities are worth something, unfortunately now they cost iron to build. But reistance against arrows make them perfect besiegers while garrisoned xbows cannot severly harm them and they definitely should not be the next unit to be eliminated soon, so I give them a little boost.
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 27
    Varu (India) - 26
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 22
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 25
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 6
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2019
  19. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 22
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 31
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) - 12-3=9 - This is an earlier version of Field Cannon, and frankly, a worse one. It may be cheaper, but it is weaker and inability to move and shoot at the same turn is annoying. I'd rather take the Field Cannon.
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 15
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 23
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 19
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 15
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 27
    Varu (India) - 26+1=27 - They do have setbacks of cost and movement, but in the end, they're still beasts. Throw in Chandragupta Maurya, and you get even stronger and faster beasts.
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 22
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 25
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 6
     
  20. Disgustipated

    Disgustipated Deity

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 19 (22-3): On paper seem good, I just can't get enough use out of these. This class of ships in general I'm not that happy with in the game. Good for pillaging, not much else.
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 23
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 21
    Conquistador (Spain) - 28
    Cossack (Russia) - 21
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 25
    Digger (Australia) - 21
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 31
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Huszár (Hungary) - 15
    Hwacha (Korea) 9
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 21
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 15
    Janissary (Ottomans) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 25
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 14
    Legion (Rome) - 23
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 22
    Minas Gareas (Brazil) - 26
    Mountie (Canada) - 20 (19+1) A unit that directly helps you win the game. Pretty cool. Other units can conquer cities which is always nice, but this one can give you tourists via national parks. And you save faith for rock bands. So I can hang out at Banff and listen to Rush. Win-win.
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 15
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 16
    Rough Rider (America) - 14
    Samurai (Japan) - 15
    Toa (Maori) - 27
    Varu (India) - 27
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 22
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 25
    War-Cart (Sumeria) - 27
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 6
     
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