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[GS] Unique Unit Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Kmart_Elvis, Jul 20, 2019.

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  1. Kmart_Elvis

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    This thread is moderator approved.

    It's been several months since the release of Gathering Storm, so let's kick off with the first elimination game. Last year we did an elimination thread for unique units, but quite a bit has changed since Rise and Fall. Not only do we have more unique units, but strategic resources are in play now, as well as rebalancing of existing units and combat in general.

    Rules
    • Only strength of units/usefulness is compared. This also includes, range, cost of the units, availability and whether it can evolve from earlier units/to later units.
    • Vote roughly once per 24 hours. Voting significantly earlier must be explained.
    • Add one point to a unit, take away three points from a different unit.
    • You must give a reason. Posts without reason will not be counted until a reason will be added.
    • Voting for the same unit several times is not forbidden, however try to spread your votes around and be fair in your assessments.
    Current Standings

    Top Tier (S)

    1) Pítati Archer (Nubia)
    2) Toa (Maori)
    3) War-Cart (Sumeria)
    4) Eagle Warrior (Aztecs)
    5) Legion (Rome)
    6) Hetairoi (Alexander/Macedon)
    7) Jong (Indonesia)
    8) Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans)

    Upper Tier (A)
    9) Conquistador (Spain)
    10) Varu (India)
    11) Minas Gereas (Brazil)
    12) Digger (Australia)
    13) Immortal (Persia)
    14) Hypaspist (Macedon)
    15) Warak'aq (Inca)
    16) Mamluk (Arabia)

    Above Average Tier (B)
    17) Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary)
    18) Cossack (Russia)
    19) Viking Longship (Harald/Norway)
    20) Redcoat (Victoria/England)
    21) Winged Hussar (Poland)
    22) Barbary Corsair (Ottomans)
    23) De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands)
    24) Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali)

    Below Average Tier (C)
    25) Huszàr (Hungary)
    26) Ngao Mbeba (Kongo)
    27) Bireme (Phoenicia)
    28) Samurai (Japan)
    29) Mountie (Canada)
    30) Keshig (Mongolia)
    31) Rough Rider (Teddy Roosevelt/America)
    32) Hwacha (Korea)

    Lower Tier (D)
    33) Impi (Zulu)
    34) Carolean (Sweden)
    35) Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt)
    36) Malón Raider (Mapuche)
    37) Sea Dog (England)
    38) Khevsur (Georgia)
    39) Garde Imperiale (France)
    40) Okihtcitaw (Cree)

    Bottom Tier (F)
    41) Domrey (Khmer)
    42) Saka Horse Archer (Scythia)
    43) Crouching Tiger (China)
    44) Hoplite (Greece)
    45) Berserker (Norway)
    46) U-boat (Germany)
    47) Highlander (Scotland)
    48) P-51 Mustang (America)
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2019
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  2. Deggial

    Deggial Chieftain

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 20
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 20
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 20
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21 I find their ability of range and melee combat (taking cities) very useful
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 17 Is there really any explanation necessary? We all know, which unit will go first ...
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 20
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 20
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 20
    U-Boat (Germany) - 20
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 20
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
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  3. Pure24

    Pure24 Chieftain

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17 = 20 - 3 late game Anti-Cavalry unit? No thanks. Late game Anti-Cavalry unit whose only bonus is combat strength tied to movement? The Carolean must leave
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 20
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 20
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 17
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 20
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 20
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 20
    U-Boat (Germany) - 20
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21 = 20 + 1 Gilgamesh's epic unit is easily top 3 unique units in the game, even after Gathering Storm, pun very much intended. Cheaper, earlier, and stronger than a heavy chariot with extra movement and NO a combat penalty against Anti-Cavalry
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  4. Hammurabbit

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 20
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 20
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 17
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 21 - Strong early, when it really makes a difference + super cheap to build
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 20 -3 = 17 can't take a hit, doesn't deal a lot of damage, and not fast enough to make a difference.
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 20
    U-Boat (Germany) - 20
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 20
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 20
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 20
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 20
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 17 first ...
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 20
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 20
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 20
    U-Boat (Germany) - 20
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  5. monstercat

    monstercat Chieftain

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 20 + 1 = 21 Easy way to take out a neighbour before the Classical Era, with free builders to rush your first districts
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 20
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 17
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 21
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 20
    U-Boat (Germany) - 20 - 3 = 17 Late game, and a naval unit. Would never build a submarine anyway
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20

    (P.S. where is China's Crouching Tiger?)
     
  6. Kmart_Elvis

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    The thread was moderator approved; I changed the OP to reflect it. Also added Crouching Tiger.

    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 20
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 17 - 3 = 14 Absolutely weak and underpowered. It can be used to make national parks, but why does an UU do that? I never have a problem with naturalists.
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 21
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 20 + 1 = 21 Even with the Nerf, still impactful. Plus one of the few UU to not require resources.
    U-Boat (Germany) - 17
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  7. Icicle

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    Ah, I missed these threads, thanks @Kmart_Elvis

    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 20
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 11 (14-3) It's not *just* because it's a bad unit, or that it's underpowered, or anything of that sort. I just despise that Canada's first entrance into this series is marred by this lazy stereotype based more on bad American movies than the several significant ways that Canada has contributed to world history.
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 22 (21+1) Nubia chortles at the idea that early game computer on high difficulty has an advantage
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 17
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2019
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  8. DWilson

    DWilson Where am I? What turn is it?

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 17 (20-3) Oh, I forgot to build this because it's pointless. Oh well, I guess I can still get a bit of era score.
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 12 (11+1) I wanted to give this at least one upvote because, unlike many other units, it offers a unique flexibility. As far as I know, Canada is currently the only civ which can get a national park through either production or gold, rather than just faith. It's unique, and Canada isn't meant to fight much outside of cooperating in emergencies anyhow. This unit makes the game slightly different, and thus better.
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 22
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 17
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  9. Leucarum

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 17
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 13 (12+1) Agreed with @DWilson. It isn't a powerful unit and shouldn't stick around too long. But certainly compared to some of the really bad UUs *cough*Uboat*cough*Highlander*cough* it at least has an impact on the game.
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 22
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 14 (17-3) The naval game being as pointless as it is I think I've only ever built a submarine of any sort once. An unique one doesn't make it any better...
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  10. Loderingo

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 14-3 - Late ranger units are a waste of time
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 13
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 23 +1 - A pain in the backside when playing against Nubia
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 14
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  11. Bitterman

    Bitterman Chieftain

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 20 (20+1) - With the right bonuses, they can hold their ground and even beat later infantry units, plus converting enemy cities when they conquer them. They can also be straight upgraded from swordsmen which, if bought with faith, make this unit a steamroller.
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 11 (11-3) - Probably the most useless unit in the game. They don't do anything that other vanilla unit could do at least as well as them. As fighters, they are beaten by true fighters. As scouts, they are the same as rangers. Meh.
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 13
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 24
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 14
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  12. Troy Bruckner

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 21
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 11
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 20
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 13 +1 = 14 The Mountie must be preserved so it can build national parks!
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 24
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 14 -1 = 13 All submarines could go for all I care until controlling the oceans actually matters on a large scale.
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  13. 679x

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    Dang, that's a big list of units! This elimination thread might take a while...

    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 21
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 11
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 21 (20 + 1) These things are insane! I actually just checked the wiki while making this vote and it seems that Gathering Storm nerfed this unit a little by increasing the cost to produce and maintain it, but it's otherwise just as strong as before. And strong it is! Knights are already useful and having them heal no matter where they are and what they're doing is awesome. They just never die. And if they're going to, well, you can just have them go over and pillage a farm and gain extra healing on top of that, and if you can't do that, then just rotate them out and replace them with fresh mamluks until the first ones heal up again, which won't take long. Rinse and repeat.
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 14
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 23 (EDITED to fix the score for this one because it somehow gained an additional vote. This isn't my vote. I'm lucky that I even caught that this one had more points than it should, given the size of this list, haha!)
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 10 (13 - 1) Some people say they don't really ever use submarines. I use them a bit, and even then, the U-Boat just isn't really worth it as a civ's only UU. Plus, Germany gets no other bonuses toward a navy or water in general, and might even prefer to have less of it just so that they have more room to plant districts. If Germany had any sort of land-based UU it'd probably be better than the U-Boat, even if it was just a Highlander.
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  14. AJ22PIZZA

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 22 (21+1) El Escorial + Wars of Religion + Religious unit bonus = +18 combat strength. Makes Conquistadors into infantry strength level, not to mention the city conversion. This unit has the most rewarding set up to pay off in the game.
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 11
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 21
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 14
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 17 (20-3) What a waste. AI rarely build planes, and even so the aluminum is better spent on bombers if you even bother to build an aerodrome.
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 23
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 10
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  15. monstercat

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    I believe the U-boat should be at 8, not 10, (Troy Buckner only subtracted 1 point from his downvote earlier)
     
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  16. Kmart_Elvis

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    Not playing, just correcting the score. U-boat was miscored.Please use this:

    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 22
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 11
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 20
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 21
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 14
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 17
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 23
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 8
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20

    Moderator Action: Further corrected U-Boot score (8 rather than 7) — Browd
     
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  17. WillowBrook

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 22
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 11
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 21 (20+1) an early frigate? Yes please!
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 21
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 14 definitely doesn't deserve to go first - far from top tier, but the only way to get a national park from production or gold (without mods)
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 14 (17-3) not sure which is more useless, this or the u boat, but this one has more points
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 23
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 8
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
  18. Bitterman

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    Highlander should be at 8, not 11 if I'm not mistaken. No one substracted the three points from my vote.
     
  19. Browd

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    No. Highlander at 11 is correct. Even though you wrote “Highlander (Scotland) - 11 (11-3)” Highlander was at 14 prior to your vote, so you should have written “Highlander (Scotland) - 11 (14-3)”.
     
  20. MrRadar

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    Barbary Corsair (Ottomans) - 20
    Berserker (Norway) - 20
    Bireme (Phoenicia) - 20
    Black Army (Corvinus/Hungary) - 20
    Carolean (Sweden) - 17
    Conquistador (Spain) - 22
    Cossack (Russia) - 20
    Crouching Tiger (China) - 20
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 20
    Digger (Australia) - 20
    Domrey (Khmer) - 20
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 21
    Garde Imperiale (France) - 20
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
    Highlander (Scotland) - 11
    Hoplite (Greece) - 20
    Huszár (Hungary) - 20
    Hwacha (Korea) - 20
    Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
    Immortal (Persia) - 21
    Impi (Zulu) - 20
    Janissary (Suleiman/Ottomans) - 20
    Jong (Indonesia) - 21
    Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
    Khevsur (Georgia) - 20
    Legion (Rome) - 20
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 20
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 21
    Mandekalu Cavalry (Mali) - 20
    Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 20
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Mountie (Canada) - 14
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
    Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 20
    P-51 Mustang (America) - 11 (14-3) A Mountie has a bonus value of saving you 1200 faith. U-boat can go to some distant shore and collect a remote tribal village, possibly, for a random eureka, or destroy an anoying barb camp. What does this one have on the former two?
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 23
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
    Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 20
    Sea Dog (England) - 20
    Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 17
    Samurai (Japan) - 20
    Toa (Maori) - 21
    U-Boat (Germany) - 9 (8+1) I'm voting this up, because Mustang is still higher atm
    Varu (India) - 20
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 20
    Warak'aq (Inca) - 20
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 21
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 20
     
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