US veterans favor McCain ?

[Bill3000]

I didn't say my premise was absolute or perfect. Very little in life is.

I'm sorry, but the fact that New Jersey has one of the lowest suicide rates is proof positive that your date is false. We're talking about New Jersey here, for god's sake.

 

[JollyRoger]

I think you are going to have a tough time convincing people of that. I dont think anyone in their right mind is going to take a signifcant cut in pay just out of the goodness of their heart.

Who said I would take a pay cut? I would have a new profitable income stream. My firm could handle much more efficiently the types of things that the most bureaucratic part of the military's legal infrastructure does now. I really didn't peg you as the type that would argue that bureaucrats could outperform the private sector.

 

[Cutlass]

Who said I would take a pay cut? I would have a new profitable income stream. My firm could efficiently handle the types of things that the most bureaucratic part of the military's legal infrastructure does now more efficiently. I really didn't peg you as the type that would argue that bureaucrats could outperform the private sector.

I sense shenanigans

 

[MobBoss]

Who said I would take a pay cut? I would have a new profitable income stream.

Doing what my boss does, you wouldnt have time to run a firm. Sorry.

My firm could efficiently handle the types of things that the most bureaucratic part of the military's legal infrastructure does now more efficiently.

Nope. You couldnt handle the volume of people we see. For example, I am just closing up on doing legal assistance work for over 3000 soldiers. Its all I have done for the last month exclusively, sometimes for 15 hours a day. Along with the paralegals I supervise, and the attorneys doing work as well.

Again, this wouldnt result in a doubling of your income, but a significant cut in it. Nor would your employees readily do this job when they can get paid more by a free market competitor and not have to deal with soldiers at all.

really didn't peg you as the type that would argue that bureaucrats could outperform the private sector.

I wouldnt define what I do as beaurcracy anymore than you would say thats what you do. We both work in the legal field. I spend a lot of time performing legal assistance and military justice actions. You calling it bureaucracy is simply more of your ignorance in action.

 

[JollyRoger]

Doing what my boss does, you wouldnt have time to run a firm. Sorry.

Who said I would do what your boss does? I could likely find a competent person to do it for less money.

Nope. You couldnt handle the volume of people we see. For example, I am just closing up on doing legal assistance work for over 3000 soldiers. Its all I have done for the last month exclusively, sometimes for 15 hours a day. Along with the paralegals I supervise, and the attorneys doing work as well.

So you are doing something that is apparently repetitive and high volume in nature. Again, the private sector is better at doing such things less expensively. There are law firms that are basically "mills", so there is no reinventing the wheel to set one up. Setting up a profitable legal mill is not that hard to do. The most challenging part is getting the volume, so signing an outsourcing contract with the military would solve the hardest step.

Again, this wouldnt result in a doubling of your income, but a significant cut in it. Nor would your employees readily do this job when they can get paid more by a free market competitor and not have to deal with soldiers at all.

Really? If the military were to pay my firm 10% less than the total compensation it is paying the army of lawyers, paralegals, and other bureaucrats for your project (remember, the taxpayer is footing some pretty inefficient extras onto that total compensation - so I'm not just talking monetary salary), I could be profitable.

I wouldnt define what I do as beaurcracy anymore than you would say thats what you do. We both work in the legal field. I spend a lot of time performing legal assistance and military justice actions. You calling it bureaucracy is simply more of your ignorance in action.

You spend a lot of time working for the government performing a task the private sector can and does perform perform (reptitive high volume legal services) and you don't think of yourself as a bureaucrat? Interesting.

I'm not so sure you have a firm grasp of how the competitive private market works anymore.

 

[MobBoss]

Who said I would do what your boss does? I could likely find a competent person to do it for less money.

Again, I doubt it. And my boss is highly competent....your assumption that everyone that works for the government isnt is ill conceived to say the least.

So you are doing something that is apparently repetitive and high volume in nature.

Again, not always. Thats during surge operations. I have worked the entire last month with only 1 day off. No overtime. Upwards of 84+ hours a week. The current free market pays a lot more than what I make for a lot less work.

Again, the private sector is better at doing such things less expensively.

See above.

Really? If the military were to pay my firm 10% less than the total compensation it is paying the army of lawyers, paralegals, and other bureaucrats for your project (remember, the taxpayer is footing some pretty inefficient extras onto that total compensation - so I'm not just talking monetary salary), I could be profitable.

I disagree.

You spend a lot of time working for the government performing a task the private sector can and does perform perform (reptitive high volume legal services) and you don't think of yourself as a bureaucrat? Interesting.

I see myself as a paralegal. Not a politician.

I'm not so sure you have a firm grasp of how the competitive private market works anymore.

I am positive you have no grasp at all of how the military works.

 

[Dubai Vol]

As nobody has given a correct definition YET: (not even our tame paralegal)

A VETERAN IS ANY PERSON WHO HAS SERVED HONORABLY AT LEAST 180 DAYS ON ACTIVE DUTY IN THE US ARMED FORCES.

Period.

 

[FriendlyFire]

You cant have it boths ways you know.

Complains loudly about Military medical care yet at the same time proclaming how efficent hes public legal work is going. (and well be the case but iam guessing given the volumn of patients the Military hospitols its probably the same differance)

 

[Cutlass]

You cant have it boths ways you know.

Complains loudly about Military medical care yet at the same time proclaming how efficent hes public legal work is going. (and well be the case but iam guessing given the volumn of patients the Military hospitols its probably the same differance)

I really get the impression that was JRs point, to twist him into contradictions.

 

[MobBoss]

As nobody has given a correct definition YET: (not even our tame paralegal)

A VETERAN IS ANY PERSON WHO HAS SERVED HONORABLY AT LEAST 180 DAYS ON ACTIVE DUTY IN THE US ARMED FORCES.

Period.

Nope. Again, one who is discharged unfavorably and/or served other than honorably can have their veteran status and benefits withdrawn....regardless of the fact if they have served over 180 days or not.

To further render your opinion incorrect...one is not actually a service member until 90 days after one has completed their AIT. Its a fact that some AIT can be well over a year in length....thus a trainee who indeed serves say 200 days and then drops out of AIT is most certainly not a 'veteran' and his service will be characterized as 'uncharacterized' unless he was removed for some incident of misconduct.

Again, the 'tame paralegal' shows himself to be more competent than the poser in Dubai.

 

[Cutlass]

Nope. Again, one who is discharged unfavorably and/or served other than honorably can have their veteran status and benefits withdrawn....regardless of the fact if they have served over 180 days or not.

To further render your opinion incorrect...one is not actually a service member until 90 days after one has completed their AIT. Its a fact that some AIT can be well over a year in length....thus a trainee who indeed serves say 200 days and then drops out of AIT is most certainly not a 'veteran' and his service will be characterized as 'uncharacterized' unless he was removed for some incident of misconduct.

Again, the 'tame paralegal' shows himself to be more competent than the poser in Dubai.

You said "nope" and then agreed with exactly what he said

 

[nonconformist]

Yeah but then he wouldn't have been able to troll, would he?

 

[MobBoss]

You cant have it boths ways you know.

Complains loudly about Military medical care yet at the same time proclaming how efficent hes public legal work is going. (and well be the case but iam guessing given the volumn of patients the Military hospitols its probably the same differance)

Bullcrap FF, of course you can have it both ways in this instance. For the simple reason not all branchs of the military work the same. Medical in no way works as the Legal offices do....for example.....Madigan Army Medical center at Fort Lewis, being an area trauma hospital, cares for civilians with life threatening injuries - heart attacks, gunshot wounds, traffic accidents. Not so the legal offices. The hospital also sees an incredible number of retired soldiers and their spouses on a daily basis. Again, not so with the legal offices.....retirees with legal issues are only seen every other weekend since there are significantly less of them to deal with. There is also the simple little fact that soldiers tend to get injured or ill in far greater frequency than they need legal assistance....but dont let that stop your silly assumptions.

You see....perhaps you should listen to someone actually able to give you an insight to how things work as opposed to shooting off your mouth and looking stupid.

 

[MobBoss]

You said "nope" and then agreed with exactly what he said

No I didnt. Perhaps I was incomplete in my explanation. You see, a trainee can also receive an honorable discharge during that period if it is seen as warranted, but still not be a veteran.

Yeah but then he wouldn't have been able to troll, would he?

Thats your hobby noncon...not mine.

 

[nonconformist]

Thats your hobby noncon...not mine.

Nice comeback.....which just incriminated yourself again

You shoulda pled the fifth

 

[MobBoss]

Nice comeback.....which just incriminated yourself again

You shoulda pled the fifth

No..I simply replied to the troll. Which, as your reply shows, I should have known better.

 

[nonconformist]

No..I simply replied to the troll. Which, as your reply shows, I should have known better.

It wasn't a troll, it was an assertion of fact.

You said (and I quote directly) "than the poser in Dubai."

That "poser" is a United States Army veteran, who volunteered for service, and who put his life and limb on the line for the likes of you, to safeguard your freedoms and values, so that pogues like you could sit at your desks doing your clerk work, instead of being called to the front lines to fight a real war, and you go and denigrate and slur that same veteran who served his time honourably, so that you can score some lame ego-points in front of a gang of bored teenagers on a sunday afternoon, on a gaming website.
Just to disgracefully sully this man's profession and his labour is childish, and just downright callous, to him and to all veterans.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[MobBoss]

It wasn't a troll, it was an assertion of fact.

You said (and I quote directly) "than the poser in Dubai."

And how typical of you to ignore his own labeling of me, all the while inserting your trash. Again, a recognized hobby of yours.

That "poser" is a United States Army veteran, who volunteered for service, and who put his life and limb on the line for the likes of you, to safeguard your freedoms and values, so that pogues like you could sit at your desks doing your clerk work, instead of being called to the front lines to fight a real war, and you go and denigrate and slur that same veteran who served his time honourably, so that you can score some lame ego-points in front of a gang of bored teenagers on a sunday afternoon, on a gaming website.
Just to disgracefully sully this man's profession and his labour is childish, and just downright callous, to him and to all veterans.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Bubby, this 'pogue' has more time in service than you do breathing oxygen. Again, no, I havent always sit at a desk. I started out in the 9th Infantry Division way long ago. No, I wasnt combat arms, but yes, I have eaten more than my share of sand and dirt over the years. I have paid my dues to be where I am today. So why dont you amble off, play terrorist dress up in the mirror, and drink some whine and leave the commenting on military issues to people in the know. It would actually behoove you to hush and actually listen up sometime - you might actually learn something beneficial someday.

 

[GenMarshall]

How in the world did this discussion went from Vets for McBush to debating about the standards to become a vet?!

 

[nonconformist]

And how typical of you to ignore his own labeling of me, all the while inserting your trash. Again, a recognized hobby of yours..

"Tame paralegal"?
Sounds like a term of endearment to me.
You shouldn't get so worked up about things so fast. Chill, Winston.