US vs. a resurgent China

And the Japanese fought also the Brits and the Chinese, even the Russians.

I just wanted to remind people who think that the Americans could easily bit the Chinese because America build a super army in WWII may just have a look at the length of the war, the number of allies, etc. and see that it wasn't so easy as they believe.
 
all I see in a war between america and china is Nukes all over china killing 750 million + and a bunch of rage agianst the machine music :p
 
Steph said:
You mean, the force that needed the Russians, the English, and countless other countries to beat the Germans?

Can you point out a military force which was stronger than the US military in August 1945?

And we'll completely ignore a little country called "Japan." :rolleyes:
 
So you didn't read it, did you?
No I admit, I did not, though I have read enough reviews about it and I reject it.
He (Huntington) is actually very sceptical about the West and its position and in no way he say there will be some "apocalyptic battle",
Of course the premise being that the West is submissive and rolls over and die. You surely reject that hypothesis, therefore the apocalyptic battle. You are calling for a genocidal elimination of the opposing culture are you not?
CoC isn't simplification, it just uncovers one dimension of international relations, which has been ignored in the times of ideological battle known as the Cold War.
CoC is a simplification in that it reduces much complex situation into "us" against "them" , how simple can it get. It encourages a "Them are the enemies cause we got to fight them some day" mentality. Culture is important only if we make it so, China will make an impact one day if not nuked, do you hate eating with chopstix so much that you are willing to go to war?! I am seriously apalled that there are so many people who are advocating nuclear strikes as a form of warfare.
 
Shaihulud said:
No I admit, I did not, though I have read enough reviews about it and I reject it.

The reviews are usually heavily biased. I had been sceptical too, until I've read it myself.

Of course the premise being that the West is submissive and rolls over and die. You surely reject that hypothesis, therefore the apocalyptic battle. You are calling for a genocidal elimination of the opposing culture are you not?

No and neither is Huntington. He says, that the West is acting in the name of the rest of the world, imposing its economic and social system on the other cultures. This breeds resentment in them and leads to the Clash. The message in his book is simple - West should stop interfering with other cultures and focus on itself.

That's what people, who didn't read it, don't know. They see the CoC as some kind of racist propaganda, but in fact, it is about learning to live in peace with other cultures.

CoC is a simplification in that it reduces much complex situation into "us" against "them" , how simple can it get. It encourages a "Them are the enemies cause we got to fight them some day" mentality. Culture is important only if we make it so, China will make an impact one day if not nuked, do you hate eating with chopstix so much that you are willing to go to war?! I am seriously apalled that there are so many people who are advocating nuclear strikes as a form of warfare.

Read it. Than you'll se how wrong you are about it ;)
 
Gelion said:
Sure it has. I mean look at how she used them before :rolleyes:

This is not some accusation, this is stated Russian policy.
 
Read it. Than you'll se how wrong you are about it
I will read it, sorry about attacking you, but I am pissed off about using nukes to attack China. What have they ever done to you anyway? Noone is going to go for U.S line about liberating China, and China is not going to attack Taiwan. U.S can dream about it if they want to.
 
Speedo said:
Can you point out a military force which was stronger than the US military in August 1945?
And we'll completely ignore a little country called "Japan." :rolleyes:
They were the stronger, I can grant it to you.
But don't forget it was possible because of the help of others, and because the US were not invaded / pillaged/ bombed in their own land.
 
Shaihulud said:
I will read it, sorry about attacking you, but I am pissed off about using nukes to attack China. What have they ever done to you anyway? Noone is going to go for U.S line about liberating China, and China is not going to attack Taiwan. U.S can dream about it if they want to.

I am sorry that you have understood it this way.

I'd never advocate killing millions of people! I just analyzed possible options and likely courses of action is hypothetical war between US and China. My conclusion is that it would be a tragedy.
 
John HSOG said:
This is not some accusation, this is stated Russian policy.
Is it? What makes you think that? When was it used before?
 
MobBoss said:
Anyway, here is a link from wiki for the active US military strength: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Military funny that its just over 1.4 million men. What it doesnt include also is the National Guard and Reserves of those forces. That puts the current US Military at significantly more than 1.4 million personnel. Add into the fact that any such war would greatly increase recruiting, the number would grow exponentially.
Whether recruiting would greatly increase or not surely depends on the reason for going to war. If the USians believe (or are brainwashed into thinking) that they are all in danger -- recruiting good. If they are asked to fight because China is increasing its economic influence in the far East -- recruiting not so good.
 
The problem being that, even if the US were to draft every last able-bodied men AND women between 18 and 49 they can get their hand on (which would be economic suicide)...

That's still just over one-third of what China can get drafting *only* the men.

Essentialy, it doesn't matter how much recruiting the US do - China can outnumber them easily.

As for the overall topic - who would win in a US-China conflict entirely depend on the war aims.

A direct confrontation (ie, direct Chinesse attack on US or the other way around) is extremely unlikely, if not downright impossible. In either case, if such a conflict happeened, the invader would lose - China has the manpower to invade but not the navy, and America has the navy to put an invasion force in China, but never the numbers to succesfuly invade.

The possible flashpoints for a China-USA conflict are pretty much limited to two of them - South Korea (highly unlikely) and Taiwan (a lot more likely). The Paracels/Spratleys, strategic or not, is not something the US will get their kids killed over.

If the conflict is over South Korea, then the advantage goes to China, who have no need of navy, and thus has a very easy time bringing their manpower advantage to bear, whereas American naval and aerial superiority, while still strong, isn't nearly as useful as it could be.

If the conflict is over Taiwan, then the US have the advantage, provided they can bring their navy to bear soon enough to deny China the crossing of the straits. As long as the USN can control that body of water, China's numbers are never going to be of any use, as they won't be able to put them on the battlefields.
 
USA "liberating" China? Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I doesn't matter how many USA ground troops you send to China, it won't be enough.

Think about it, you will have a WHITE GUY leading an ARMY into China. You won't have the 3 million PLA to deal with, you'll have an army of 1.4 billion angry chinese people to fight.
 
US in war with China???
Christmas dreams of "chicken hawks"...
Come on guys... Don't you realise that the war is over? In December
2005 there is only one superpower in the World. And is not the USA...
 
Gelion said:
Is it? What makes you think that? When was it used before?

When was the last time Russia was invaded?
 
The_Harbinger said:
In December 2005 there is only one superpower in the World. And is not the USA...

well don't leave us in suspense...! ;)
 
John HSOG said:
When was the last time Russia was invaded?
Answer my question or stop playing fool. You have what I answered to Winner so I see no purpose for ^ this post.
 
MobBoss said:
I bet he is thinking of Canada!;)

Venezuela, it's gotta be. Chavez has been throwing his weight around like crazy lately. ;)
 
If the populace is worried about China, then the best thing they could do is become informed regarding the economic relationship they have with China and act on it.

Since nobody looks to see where their GI Joes are produced, one can conclude that the average American is not worried about China.
 
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