BuckeyeJim
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Near as I can tell it's all just land. Nothing to be fighting over, that's for sure.
If I recall correctly, the violence conducted by the Palestinians against Israel with regards to the borders was little more then a continuation of their decades long fight. After Israel became a state and when the neighboring Arabs got involved, the Palestinians for the most part took a backseat. Then, when the Jews trounced the Arab armies, the Palestinians, fearing retribution because they no longer had any 'strong' allies, they fled.As I read more, I saw that Israel accepted the partition lines, as a bare minimun, but they still accepted it. The Plaestinians did not, and the Arab League moved in to Palestine, and if I get the time-line correct, blockaded the Jewish sector of Jerusalem off from the rest of the country, threatening to starve them out. That is a pretty good description of a seige. Not much of a peaceful action, I'd say.
Yes, there is blame to go around, but when you look at the concessions offered by the Palestinian negotiator at the latest talks just to get Israel to stop building settlements, it becomes quite clear Israel is holding up the process. Then when the Palestinian people get mad and take violent action against Israel, Israel claims that the Palestinians should just behave and wait for a state.It seems and reads to me like there is enough blame to go around for everyone to share in.
And many Israelis seek to refuse to acknowledge Palestine as a nation. Politicaly, the blame lies mainly with Israel. They are a modern, western, liberal democracy. I expect them to be better then how they have been behaving.Sorry, but I do not see how anyone can reasonably state that the entire thing is Israel's fault, when the Palestinians steadfastly refuse to their right to exist as a nation.
Yes, some palestinian actions have worked to inflame the situation. In the same way, Israeli actions have worked to inflame the situation. Their handling of Gaza, for example or they airstrikes against civilian populations on the ground that 'terrorists may be there'. Yes, terrorists may be there Israel, but that does not mean you should undertake terrorist actions to kill them.You agree that the actions of some of the Palestianians have served to inflame the situation. So how is Israel supposed to take that, and respond?
Why did it have to be in Israel? What was wrong with America, or the UK, or France?And considering what had happened to them under Hitler. And considering what Stalin was doing to them. Providing a place for the Jews, in their old homeland, with the Jews that were still there, and had always been there, seems reasonable enough to me.
So you are quoting the same channel that doesn't know the difference between a Lateen sail and a square sail, tries to prove aliens exist and made the pyramids, and has little to no history on it?PS: Unlike your source of Wikipedia, mine is the History Channel.
I know that two wrongs don't make a right and I'm not trying so say otherwise, but I hope you do have to realize that there were MANY massacres of Jews perpetrated by Muslims/Arabs. It wasn't one sided.
PS: Unlike your source of Wikipedia, mine is the History Channel.
Sorry but I no longer have access to the history channel documentary[/SPOILER]
Why did it have to be in Israel? What was wrong with America, or the UK, or France?
Heck, Britain actualy offered them a country beforehand, but the Zionists refused because it didn't fit their definition of where their homeland should be.
Don't you mean that they should screw the Arabs after making them promises of an 'Arab Homeland' after WWI?Screw the Ottoman Empire.
And that's supposed to be a reputable source?
Can't resist.
That's the way nationalism operates. Ask a Greek nationalist would he be prepared to abandon his Megale Idea if Greece would be given some prime estate in America. The only way to prevent the creation of Israel would be closing the borders of Palestine, deporting the Jews that were already here, and not allowing any more immigration - kinda like Megale Idea was killed off.Why did it have to be in Israel? What was wrong with America, or the UK, or France?
Why did Israelites get Israel....Why did it have to be in Israel?
Yeah I know right. What some fairy tale book said is obviously more important than the real people really living there.Why did Israelites get Israel....
Some of the real people living here - Jews - were for Israel. Some of them - Palestinian Arabs - didn't. That was the reason for the whole mess in the first place. But if you want to count only the latter as "real people", be my guest.Yeah I know right. What some fairy tale book said is obviously more important than the real people really living there.
The majority were Palestinian Arabs. And the whole reason for the mass Jewish immigration in the preceding decades was the formation of a Jewish state, which was decided on before Jews made up even close to a significant percentage of the population.Some of the real people living here - Jews - were for Israel. Some of them - Palestinian Arabs - didn't. That was the reason for the whole mess in the first place. But if you want to count only the latter as "real people", be my guest.
How would 'Europe' specifically want anything here?We won the war. Screw the Ottoman Empire.
And Europe wanted the Jews to leave Europe.
So? The majority was actually people, while the minority won't?The majority were Palestinian Arabs.
That's not the problem with Israel. The problem with Israel is that immigrating Jews didn't value the rights of Arabs much. But that doesn't mean that the Jews don't count as "people". I'm pleased to see that you now start opposing free and unlimited immigrationAnd the whole reason for the mass Jewish immigration in the preceding decades was the formation of a Jewish state, which was decided on before Jews made up even close to a significant percentage of the population.
The victims of the creation of Israel and its subsequent actions were actual people. Using fairy tales to try to justify that sort of thing is just dumb.So? The majority was actually people, while the minority won't?
No you just like to strawman.That's not the problem with Israel. The problem with Israel is that immigrating Jews didn't value the rights of Arabs much. But that doesn't mean that the Jews don't count as "people". I'm pleased to see that you now start opposing free and unlimited immigration