USA Foreign Policy

maybe its prophecy ;) Maybe the countdown to the anti-christ wasn't triggered by the creation of Israel but making Jerusalem the capitol
 
Moving the embassy to Jerusalem is a significant foreign policy move. Do not make light of it.

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It is also probably one of the worst decisions His Trumpiness could have made short of literally dropping cluster bombs on Yemeni funeral homes.
 
It is also probably one of the worst decisions His Trumpiness could have made short of literally dropping cluster bombs on Yemeni funeral homes.
A tad dramatic, don't you think?

In any event Trump is following through on something other Presidents have promised. RR should have been done this more than a generation ago.

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Together with the Flynn affair, which revolved around trying to block a Security Council resolution critical of Israel, this just goes to underline the immense amount of Israeli influence on US foreign policy.
 
Together with the Flynn affair, which revolved around trying to block a Security Council resolution critical of Israel, this just goes to underline the immense amount of Israeli influence on US foreign policy.
And that influence doesn't really help American interests outside of our interest in propping up Israel.

A tad dramatic, don't you think?

In any event Trump is following through on something other Presidents have promised. RR should have been done this more than a generation ago.

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Why? What does this help?
 
In any event Trump is following through on something other Presidents have promised. RR should have been done this more than a generation ago.

J
Yet they didn't because they knew it would be disastrous for foreign relations and wipe out any chance for peace.
 
And that influence doesn't really help American interests outside of our interest in propping up Israel.

It's certainly hard to see how it helps the US, and easy to see why it might do harm to its interests, especially vis-à-vis relations with other countries in the region.
 
The entire region is in chaos and we're just fueling those fires. No doubt a lot of the antipathy towards Israel in the region is based in ignorance and racism and we should take a strong stance on that. But taking this action only inflames those sentiments and offers no tangible or even intangible benefits to us other than it pisses off people we don't like.

We have also failed to stop the numerous and egregious human rights violations that Israel makes on a daily basis which goes against all of the claims we make to be defender of human rights.
 
And that influence doesn't really help American interests outside of our interest in propping up Israel. Why? What does this help?
It props up Israel. It's respect and good manners.

Yet they didn't because they knew it would be disastrous for foreign relations and wipe out any chance for peace.
It's not disastrous. It's a tit for a tat that clearly differentiates from the Obama years.

How was that peace process before?

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It props up Israel. It's also respect and good manners.

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How does this prop up Israel? And if Trump decides to throw his support behind the Israeli idea of total control of Jerusalem, how is that good manners or respectful?
 
How does this prop up Israel? And if Trump decides to throw his support behind the Israeli idea of total control of Jerusalem, how is that good manners or respectful?
It's respectful of Israeli wishes, hence the good manners.

In more practical terms, it's realpolitik. It does not endorse Israeli taking total control of Jerusalem, but it recognizes that Israel is in Jerusalem to stay and that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel. How can That be construed as anything but support of Israel?

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I mean, Mueller is potentially investigating the President of the USA. Is that not basically treason ?
Given that Russia is technically not an enemy of the US of A then POTUS, as much as we dislike him, is obstructing justice.

(and a tax evader, sexual abuser, etc. but those aren't part of the investigation)
what are we gaining by that?

seems unnecessarily provocative
The basic reasoning is that ‘it annoys people who annoy me’ or ‘people I don't like don't like it’.
China and Russia should be ashamed for what they've done to North Korea
Yyyes. Which doesn't mean that the U.S. of A. and the rest of NATO/SEATO/Western Allies have a right to be proud of what they've done. It takes two to sign a peace treaty, and the Kims only really decided to develop nukular capabilities when Bush started pre-emptively invading Axis of Evil countries.
How does this prop up Israel? And if Trump decides to throw his support behind the Israeli idea of total control of Jerusalem, how is that good manners or respectful?
Some people aren't really people so not worthy of manners or respect.

For example, Saudi Arabia invited the Prime Minister of Lebanon to for a visit, kidnapped him and his entourage, and forced him to resign. Eventually diplomatic pressure was applied to allow him to depart and he rescinded his resignation. Where was the biggest man in the world and his supporters who go on about Constitutions and legality and freedom and taking their country back and so on?
 
Point of clarification -

We don't actually know if Trump is being investigated for tax evasion. He may well be.
 
He totally isn't because he hasn't done it and he won't do it again 'cos he's smart.
 
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One comment which puts things in perspective. Hamas called for three days of rage. Not much happened due to bad weather.

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Most Palestinians in Gaza have more pressing concerns, like finding decent medical care, finding work, ect.
 
The embassy is generating a lot of press, from both sides. For something that is purely symbolic, it's a big effect.
Let's declare the Niagara Falls to be Canadian property, in perpetuity.
 
Most Palestinians in Gaza have more pressing concerns, like finding decent medical care, finding work, ect.
I could not have said it better. But it shoots down this.

Yet they didn't because they knew it would be disastrous for foreign relations and wipe out any chance for peace.

Palestinians can live in relative peace and security in and near Israel. Jews do not receive reciprocal consideration.

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