What does a MAGA hat stand for?

[Lexicus]

Do you seriously think anything less liberal than the Democratic party is equivalent to nazis and kkk? Even the mainstream GOP platform?

The mainstream GOP platform is absolutely loathsome and evil.

 

[caketastydelish]

Knowing Luiz, if he said that, was being sarcastic. Anyway, do you think Kanye West is trying to offend black people when he wears the hat? Or he just genuinely likes Trump without being a bigot himself?

The mainstream GOP platform is absolutely loathsome and evil.

Your opinion does not reflect that of the country at large.

 

[Synobun]

Kanye is a mentally ill narcissist. That he wears the hat of another mentally ill narcissist is not a redemption of the symbol being worn.

 

[Gorbles]

Your opinion does not reflect that of the country at large.

Ah, a good ol' argument to popularity. Been a while!

 

[Birdjaguar]

Sure, and in at-will states all you need is enough documentation to "prove" you weren't firing the employee for a specifically legislated-against reason.

Most people aren't fired for illegal reasons. They are fired for any number of performance issues ranging from poor attendance, stealing, not following procedures, bad attitudes towards customers and employees, drug/alcohol use, and not fitting in with the culture. The documentation is often collected by lower level people who funnel it "up" to a decision maker. Good documentation keeps everyone honest. It behooves employees who feel that they might be fired for an Illegal reason to also keep good records to support that belief. After the fact evidence collecting is hard to do. As a senior manger I kept detailed notes on all the squirrelly events that involved my board and my direct reports that had the potential to blow up in an unexpected way. That way, when one did, I had the only record of details that included events from weeks and months prior that I could pull out and put the entire thing in perspective. I rarely had to use them, but when they were needed, they generally won the day. CYA. Diligent note taking is important if you are paranoid!!

 

[caketastydelish]

A solid majority of Republican voters and even some independents support Trump.

Do you think every one of these people are just as bad as the kkk or whatever?

edit: we are talking about hundreds of millions of people here.

 

[Arwon]

Knowing Luiz, if he said that, was being sarcastic. Anyway, do you think Kanye West is trying to offend black people when he wears the hat? Or he just genuinely likes Trump without being a bigot himself?

Are you suggesting that Kanye is not a troll?

 

[El_Machinae]

I am not a Trump supporter in any way but I am surprised so that many snowflakes are being triggered by a goddamn hat. Maybe I should considering buying and wearing one.

That would make you a Trump supporter.

 

[Birdjaguar]

The mainstream GOP platform is absolutely loathsome and evil.

Your opinion does not reflect that of the country at large.

Ah, a good ol' argument to popularity. Been a while!

I read it as a statement of fact and not as an argument. That question will be settled in November and we see just how much of the country sees it as loathsome.

 

[rah]

As a senior manger I kept detailed notes on all the squirrelly events that involved my board and my direct reports that had the potential to blow up in an unexpected way. That way, when one did, I had the only record of details that included events from weeks and months prior that I could pull out and put the entire thing in perspective. I rarely had to use them, but when they were needed, they generally won the day. CYA. Diligent note taking is important if you are paranoid!!

Amazing enough, when I was managing a call center, we kept meticulous records and lost more that 50% of the time when taken to the labor board. They usually gave the employee the benefit of the doubt regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It was frustrating but when they upheld one, you'd feel vindicated.
But if they're going to error, I guess better to error on the side of a powerless employee.

 

[Arwon]

A solid majority of Republican voters and even some independents support Trump.

Do you think every one of these people are just as bad as the kkk or whatever?

edit: we are talking about hundreds of millions of people here.

Come on man this is dumb, you know full well that racism is a spectrum or a pyramid with different levels of acuteness, explicitness, directness and severity.

The people who retain racist assumptions and ideas marinated into them from the culture at large. The people who passively enable and ignore racist ideas and practice. The people who tacitly endorse racism but only in coded subtext or because property values or whatever, and the people who directly act to enforce racist structures like contemporary policing without clearly naming their reasons. The ideologues who who give full-throated explicit support to racist ideas and the enforcement of racist policies and advocate for them. The people who use direct violence for racist ends and the people who just defend and minimise the racist violence of others. Those are all different levels within a common and interlinked set of structures. You know this.

Also yeah a solid majority of folk in settler colonial contexts can't help but be racist, it's baked into everything. How could it not be, given where those societies came from, with that history of genocide, dispossession and enslavement? The key questions centre more on how much you try to justify, ignore, downplay or reinforce it and how much you identify and work against it. There's little question that the GOP platform and most of its voters are very much on the ignore, downplay, reenforce side of the ledger. Then again the US Democrats do plenty of the passivity and some of the reinforcement too, just not as, like, their entire project. They're more the party of wishing it away than the party of defending and protecting it.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Amazing enough, when I was managing a call center, we kept meticulous records and lost more that 50% of the time when taken to the labor board. They usually gave the employee the benefit of the doubt regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It was frustrating but when they upheld one, you'd feel vindicated.
But if they're going to error, I guess better to error on the side of a powerless employee.

yes, when dealing with non company agencies, documentation is less powerful. I actually used mine mostly to keep over zealous board members in check. The purpose though remains: to provide a record of events over time so a single event is put into its proper perspective. Whoever has the best notes wins!

 

[caketastydelish]

The problem is I’m not strawmanning when people here are seriously suggesting that wearing a MAGA hat pretty much makes you that.

edit: @Arwon

 

[Arwon]

The problem is I’m not strawmanning when people here are seriously suggesting that wearing a MAGA hat pretty much makes you that.

edit: @Arwon

Well no, because the hat being a symbol of a party and cohort of voters driven by racial resentment and a project of preserving racial hierarchy is quite different to it being a symbol of specifically genocidal fascism that all wearers endorse. The petulant flattening of any form of criticism of racist structures, policies and attitudes to "well you say they're nazis" doesn't really help anyone except, ya know, the nazis.

 

[Estebonrober]

A solid majority of Republican voters and even some independents support Trump.

Do you think every one of these people are just as bad as the kkk or whatever?

edit: we are talking about hundreds of millions of people here.

and the strawman just keeps walking through this thread. No one is saying they are all as bad as Nazis and the KKK.

 

[caketastydelish]

Well no, because the hat being a symbol of a party and cohort of voters driven by racial resentment and a project of preserving racial hierarchy is quite different to it being a symbol of specifically genocidal fascism that all wearers endorse. The petulant flattening of any form of criticism of racist structures, policies and attitudes to "well you say they're nazis" doesn't really help anyone except, ya know, the nazis.

Do you think MAGA hats should be banned for hurting peoples feelings rather than assuming they’re being too sensitive about what almost half the country thinks?

 

[Arwon]

Why would you jump straight to a suggestion of state action? Particularly given said racist project runs the state.

 

[Estebonrober]

Do you think MAGA hats should be banned for hurting peoples feelings rather than assuming they’re being too sensitive about what almost half the country thinks?

That would be dumber than wearing the hat.

 

[Hygro]

I am not a Trump supporter in any way but I am surprised so that many snowflakes are being triggered by a goddamn hat. Maybe I should considering buying and wearing one.

This is like 60% of it... but I agree with amazonqueen here

 

[El_Machinae]

Do you think MAGA hats should be banned for hurting peoples feelings rather than assuming they’re being too sensitive about what almost half the country thinks?

Do you think Republicans should stand up to racists in their party?