What does a MAGA hat stand for?

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and what is the likelihood that m4a will pass anytime soon??

it will pass as soon as conservative voters stop voting against their own interests and voting for the idea they may get wealthy one day. Or maybe sooner. Conservative voters are a consistently dwindling number.
 
Just want to mention that this whole idea of people getting fired explicitly for being in some category like transgender misses the point pretty severely. In a world where at-will employment is the rule no employer is going to be stupid enough to tell you they're firing you because you're x, they will just fire you and give no reason for it, and it is perfectly legal to do that under an at-will contract. I support anti-discrimination law on principle but getting rid of at-will employment would go a lot farther toward protecting people than anti-discrimination protections.

Just cus something is legal doesn't mean it will hold up in court.
 
Just cus something is legal doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

Actually, that's exactly what it means. An at-will employment contract means you can be fired with no reason given, no notice, and you have no recourse.
 
it will pass as soon as conservative voters stop voting against their own interests

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This is one of the most politically arrogant thing a person can say. What makes you think you can speak with any kind of authority on what is in the best interests of people you don't know? In fact, what makes you think you can speak with any kind of authority on the interests of anyone other than yourself?

Just cus something is legal doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

Lexicus is right on this one. At-will employment contracts mean the employment agreement can be terminated at any time for almost any reason or no reason at all by either the employer or the employee.

And such contracts are legally enforceable.
 
I understand that as a premise but I know multiple people in HR who constantly have to document all sorts of stuff we might find non applicable or trivial because they are scared to death of getting sued by an ex employee for wrongful termination. I don't think they hold up as well as you think they do. Anyone can sue for wrongful termination due to gender and now the employer has to present evidence this wasn't the case. They have better well documented your performance or some sort of HR violation.

At will doesn't only benefit employers, it's a big benefit for an employee to be able to walk away from a job at any time for a better one. Non competes and contracts can be very detrimental to your job outlook.
 
Does the topic of this particular thread (which seems to be what the hat represents, not how severe mean things being said to wearers of said hat) have any bearing on whether or not the form of discrimination is a factor in determining how bad the discrimination is? It's certainly a less major issue than, for example, not being allowed to own property would be, is it not? And whether or not it's a worrying precedent would depend on whether or not it's a precedent at all.
The named topic is one thing; what people are discussing varies a bit.

The problem with "ranking" how "bad" particular issues are is this is invariably viewed from a lens of being unaffected by one or more of the issues involved. But to answer your point about precedence, yes, unilaterally revoking protections for a minority on the most charitable interpretation of "Obama made the protections happen" is an incredibly juvenile and yes, worrying approach to national politics. At worst, it's overt discrimination from a federal body. For example, had Trump banned everyone wearing MAGA hats from serving in the military? Would that change your reaction?

Not if it's an irrelevant medical exemption that some idiot put on a box for no good reason other than ignorance...

Look, I get that it's discrimination. But there are loads and loads of legal and illegal discrimination going on. This is not a particularly severe case of discrimination.

To give an example, right now US colleges are legally allowed to discriminate against Asian Americans based on their race. Typically, Democrats support the rulings that allow this discrimination to continue. Does this mean that everyone who votes for democrats is a racist, or at least bigoted against Asian Americans? Is it possible to vote for a candidate that supports such rulings while still disagreeing with them, because one believes there are larger areas of agreement?
As I said to Manfred, above, it's pretty easy to claim what is or isn't "severe" if you're not affected by it. To your example about discrimination towards Asian Americans, the Googling I did returns a lot of hits for affirmative action and how Trump has weaponised that for votes. It doesn't state that the Democrats are explicitly preventing Asian Americans from overcoming discrimination, which is your phrasing here. An example for the thread.

If you meant something else, feel free to provide it, but cherrypicking examples like this to attempt a gotcha about Democrat voting tendencies doesn't help you either. And typically, a lot of left-wing folks have criticisms of the Democrats (as they are, in general, a centre-right party in most of the rest of the world) as well as Republicans. That isn't to say people don't have criticism for Democrats, it's just that America is increasingly screwed by its two-party system that forces people to vote for what they believe to be the lesser evil. And I include voters for both parties, and independents, in this mix. But if you can't accept criticism of a party, then that is normally, likely, for partisan reasons. You don't have to do much to convince me that the Democrats make large and obvious mistakes, or that specific Democratic candidates are bad news. But apparently, I have to do a lot of work to even get the slightest admittance that Republicans do bad things, both individually and as a party.

You can vote for who you want. Just don't pretend that that vote doesn't come with consequences, that you have chosen to accept for the sake of that vote.
 
Actually, that's exactly what it means. An at-will employment contract means you can be fired with no reason given, no notice, and you have no recourse.

Ding ding ding!

Hey Civver, guess what happens to LGBTQ people if they get outed to their employer?

And you still think there's no serious discrimination? Get a grip!
 
:rolleyes:

This is one of the most politically arrogant thing a person can say. What makes you think you can speak with any kind of authority on what is in the best interests of people you don't know? In fact, what makes you think you can speak with any kind of authority on the interests of anyone other than yourself?



Lexicus is right on this one. At-will employment contracts mean the employment agreement can be terminated at any time for almost any reason or no reason at all by either the employer or the employee.

And such contracts are legally enforceable.

thats easy most conservatives are below the median income level which means they cannot afford proper healthcare or tertiary education and if you are millennial like me a house is awfully tough too. Which means voting against Medicare for all of free college education while voting for people who run trillion dollar deficits for war machines and corporate subsidies is voting against yourself.
 
Lol you can just say Cultural Marxism if you want
No, thanks. The dark lord's name was jinxed by the Ministry, as the only ones who uttered it in earnest were those most serious about fighting him.

Hum, South American nations typically are quite open towards immigrants, but there was never open borders. Argentina had several rounds of amnesty to illegal aliens over the last decades, which is pretty liberal in itself, but proves that there was such a thing as an "illegal alien" in Argentina.

Touching this matter, one thing the US and Argentina have in common is jus soli (birthright citizenship). Argentina is among the more prosperous nations in SA, but is not the immigration mecca the US is. I believe that abuse of jus soli has an entirely different scope here. It has been prone to abuse elsewhere, too, and is at this point in time mainly a New World thing. Europe got out of it recently.

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Before we get started let's just say, I don't own one and I would never wear one.
I don't have a hat either, but they are the best thing ever to come out of Japan and an opportunity to grind levels for my fledgling mspaint skill

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thats easy most conservatives are below the median income level which means they cannot afford proper healthcare or tertiary education and if you are millennial like me a house is awfully tough too. Which means voting against Medicare for all of free college education while voting for people who run trillion dollar deficits for war machines and corporate subsidies is voting against yourself.

You're missing the point. The point is you don't know why someone votes the way they do. So for you to tell people they are voting "wrong" and adopt what is essentially an "I know what's best for you because I'm better than you" attitude is extremely arrogant and condescending.
 
You're missing the point. The point is you don't know why someone votes the way they do. So for you to tell people they are voting "wrong" and adopt what is essentially an "I know what's best for you because I'm better than you" attitude is extremely arrogant and condescending.

I know what‘s better for their health and education then what they vote for. Not sorry.
 
Ding ding ding!

Hey Civver, guess what happens to LGBTQ people if they get outed to their employer?

And you still think there's no serious discrimination? Get a grip!

Yeah and that's wrong. And not all companies are like that. My company's handbook explicitly states they will not tolerate discrimination based on gender, sexual orientation or marital status. This isn't a trump issue, and states should lead the charge on this since they can write into their own laws whatever anti discrimination stuff they want. California just passed one based on hair styles.
 
Yeah and that's wrong. And not all companies are like that. My company's handbook explicitly states they will not tolerate discrimination based on gender, sexual orientation or marital status. This isn't a trump issue, and states should lead the charge on this since they can write into their own laws whatever anti discrimination stuff they want. California just passed one based on hair styles.

I don't *Care* about you or your company.

I live in the real world, the world where employers can, do and will fire you for reasons beyond your control, reasons based upon who and what you are.

You voting Republican makes it harder for this issue to be solved, because the GOP have no interest in doing anything but shoring up bigotry and you've already admitted you're okay with parts of that, so go do what you like.

You're not an ally, you're not even neutral. You are part of the problem and until you take responsibility for your role in this, people will suffer, but i forsee you continuing to make excuses, continuing to try to justify your actions and continuing to deflect your part in it by claiming you don't "Support all" of the GOP's stances but that isn't good enough and you will and should be judged by those that you've harmed for it.
 
it will pass as soon as conservative voters stop voting against their own interests and voting for the idea they may get wealthy one day. Or maybe sooner. Conservative voters are a consistently dwindling number.
Idk :dunno:, so far, I've summed up your current decision making as a combination of 20/20 hindsight (your abolitionist argument) and fortune telling wishful thinking. As for the present however, i find your positions uncompromising.

EDIT. and therefore, promoting stalemate
 
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I know what‘s better for their health and education then what they vote for. Not sorry.

No, you really don't. You just look at statistics and make generalizations based on that. The problem with statistics though is they don't show nuance or account for each individual's unique circumstances.

That's pretty much why statistics are garbage as a tool for crafting policy.
 
it's a big benefit for an employee to be able to walk away from a job at any time for a better one.

Yeah, in fairytale world a.k.a. the universe inhabited by the authors of economics textbooks, this is true.
In the real world, though, employees would benefit tremendously from just-cause firing regulations or even just being protected by a contract that requires you to be fired for a defined cause.

I was just laid off from my job a few months ago with no notice and no recourse, and I find the suggestion that this was beneficial to me in some way to be asinine and offensive.

I understand that as a premise but I know multiple people in HR who constantly have to document all sorts of stuff we might find non applicable or trivial because they are scared to death of getting sued by an ex employee for wrongful termination. I don't think they hold up as well as you think they do. Anyone can sue for wrongful termination due to gender and now the employer has to present evidence this wasn't the case. They have better well documented your performance or some sort of HR violation.

I believe this is the case when the employees concerned have actual contracts. I don't believe it's the case with at-will employees. The definition of at-will employment is that you can be fired for no reason and you have no standing to sue for wrongful termination unless the employer is stupid enough to explicitly tell you "I fired you because you were pregnant/black/trans" or whatever. Not many employers are that stupid.
 
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