What does a MAGA hat stand for?

[Manfred Belheim]

The problem in that case is intentionally using Nazi symbols to provoke fear in your own populace. WTH

Do illegal immigrants count as your own populace?

 

[Estebonrober]

Hmm. Maybe "educate yourself" about what my initial question was, which was about the words themselves being inherently racist, separate to the question about whether or not they are in the context of big red Trump hats.

Ok in that case clearly the words themselves are not racist without context. Idk why you got defensive here. I didn’t mean you when saying that, I figured you being here meant you are familiar with Wilson and US race history in general.

 

[Estebonrober]

Do illegal immigrants count as your own populace?

yes they are human. I certainly count them as my own populace when they live in my nation.

 

[ashendashin]

Do illegal immigrants count as your own populace?

Absolutely not. Luiz' "sense of the ridiculous" is something I heavily agree with. Way too many legal hispanics in the US for any credit to be given to the arguments there.

 

[Estebonrober]

I don't think the Central American illegal immigrants who get detained in the US would draw many parallels to Nazi death camps if put on trains, so if that's the objective, it's quite stupid. Doesn't make much sense.

Yea you might be right but Stephen Miller likes the visual and that says a hell of a lot about this administration.

 

[luiz]

I agree that’s it’s unhelpful. It’s also really really hard to get people to understand the argument being made. It’s not that you in particular are a bigot. It’s that your support of certain people or policies support systemic bigotry. How do you parse that reality without the person you are trying to explain to feel like you are calling them a bigot?

Like it was always done in America. Under Bush I or Regan, you could say some of their policies were harming minorities or whatever without accusing the government and half the population of being KKK members.

 

[Estebonrober]

Like it was always done in America. Under Bush I or Regan, you could say some of their policies were harming minorities or whatever without accusing the government and half the population of being KKK members.

Im not accusing half of America as being bigots Im saying wearing the hat is a bigoted act. I doubt any person has lived a life and not committed a bigoted act.
Just because a few of us are making similar arguments doesn’t mean we agree completely.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Is this about Valka's trees?

Nah. It was about the head in the MAGA hat.

 

[Estebonrober]

Sometimes I think you all doth protest a bit too much. Lol

 

[Gorbles]

Well yeah if we look at US history, minorities have it pretty good under Trump, no?
Of course we can and should criticize his policies that we perceive to be wrong. We might even draw parallels to Nazi policy, when this is justified (and it usually isn't).

But the climate of mutual hatred and hysteria prevalent in the US is not constructive. It's not good for anyone, minorities included. Anyone who believes the over 40% of Americans who support Trump are as bad as KKK members is a fool, and an unhelpful fool at that.

I don't think minorities have it particularly good under Trump, no. You've already agreed the rolling back to transgender protections is worrying (I think that was you). We have ICE ramping up its activities, horrific stories from the detention camps widely-publicised in the past year or two. We have increasing reports around police violence, and a lot of unanswered questions around now-infamous events like Ferguson. We have evidence of a high-profile White House employee (Miller) being an outright white nationalist, and we have the removal of white nationalist groups from federal hate watchlists (if I'm remembering rightly).

None of these paint a particularly rosy picture of minorities in 2019 and 2020. I'm not saying all of this is explicitly because of Trump, but I am saying his administration hasn't helped (to put it lightly).

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Idk why you got defensive here. I didn’t mean you when saying that, I figured you being here meant you are familiar with Wilson and US race history in general.

Well you did quote me, and then say "well educate yourself". I don't think it's weird that I would assume you were addressing me.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

yes they are human. I certainly count them as my own populace when they live in my nation.

I didn't ask if they were human...

 

[Broken_Erika]

Nah. It was about the head in the MAGA hat.

They're both solid but the trees have more intelligence.

 

[luiz]

I don't think minorities have it particularly good under Trump, no. You've already agreed the rolling back to transgender protections is worrying (I think that was you). We have ICE ramping up its activities, horrific stories from the detention camps widely-publicised in the past year or two. We have increasing reports around police violence, and a lot of unanswered questions around now-infamous events like Ferguson. We have evidence of a high-profile White House employee (Miller) being an outright white nationalist, and we have the removal of white nationalist groups from federal hate watchlists (if I'm remembering rightly).

None of these paint a particularly rosy picture of minorities in 2019 and 2020. I'm not saying all of this is explicitly because of Trump, but I am saying his administration hasn't helped (to put it lightly).

You mentioned slavery, the wars against the Indians, Jim Crow, etc. So compared to that, that is, under a historical perspective, minorities are doing pretty well under Trump. Which doesn't justify any of the crap he does. Restrictions on trans people in the military suck, but they are pretty much the rule in the whole world and pale in comparison to Jim Criw or unleashing the cavalry on Indians.

 

[Estebonrober]

I didn't ask if they were human...

no that’s my premise. They live in my nation, they are human, which to me means they are part of my populace even if they aren’t citizens.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Them being human is kind of a given though and doesn't really need to be stated as part of any answer.

 

[Estebonrober]

Them being human is kind of a given though and doesn't really need to be stated as part of any answer.

I think it does. The initial posit of the us them dichotomy is dehumanizing in this case. By making them not legal and then asking whether I consider them part of the populace does require a reminder that I put their standing as a person first before their standing as a citizen.

 

[bernie14]

I think it does. The initial posit of the us them dichotomy is dehumanizing in this case. By making them not legal and then asking whether I consider them part of the populace does require a reminder that I put their standing as a person first before their standing as a citizen.

Dehumanization has nothing to do with this. The status quo is nationhood and afaik, every nation gives is citizens preferred status

 

[Traitorfish]

Yeah, good thing I don't support those thing, regardless of how many times you accuse me of it.

If I drop my coloured pebble into the big vase labelled "make everything worse for everyone", I don't then get to announce "I don't support this" and expect to be absolved of my sins.

 

[rah]

It has not been proved I did that. Voting for a local politician doesn't quite qualify for that.
If so, Tim is equally guilty and I don't see anyone accusing him.
You people really need to get some perspective.