What does a MAGA hat stand for?

[Estebonrober]

Dehumanization has nothing to do with this. The status quo is nationhood and afaik, every nation gives is citizens preferred status

I reject that notion when it comes to basic rights of man. I will reject it until all of humanity comes or it’s better sense and supports freedom and the recourse of law for all humans.

 

[bernie14]

I reject that notion when it comes to basic rights of man. I will reject it until all of humanity comes or it’s better sense and supports freedom and the recourse of law for all humans.

So you are an open borders guy?

 

[Estebonrober]

So you are an open borders guy?

Insomuch as basic civil rights should be afforded to all humanity and respected by governments across the planet. Yes.


The fact that the value of a human being should not change depending on a specific geographic location of that being should be common sense. It is not lost on me that this curious notion of humanity is not taken by the majority of the worlds people. It just I understand it’s hypocrisy, cruelty, and frankly it’s stupidity.

 

[bernie14]

Insomuch as basic civil rights should be afforded to all humanity and respected by governments across the planet. Yes.


The fact that the value of a human being should not change depending on a specific geographic location of that being should be common sense. It is not lost on me that this curious notion of humanity is not taken by the majority of the worlds people. It just I understand it’s hypocrisy, cruelty, and frankly it’s stupidity.

Havent you described yourself as "center left"? yet, this position seems quite extremist, especially given your own admission that your "common sense" is quite out of step with the rest of the world.

 

[Traitorfish]

It has not been proved I did that. Voting for a local politician doesn't quite qualify for that.

Why not? Local politicians are entirely capable of making things worse for people. More so, in the short term, given their more direct influence over the day-to-day life of their constituents.

 

[Synobun]

"Humans universally deserve a basic set of rights" is not what I would define as extremism. It is telling that you would.

 

[Estebonrober]

Havent you described yourself as "center left"? yet, this position seems quite extremist, especially given your own admission that your "common sense" is quite out of step with the rest of the world.

Yea well I’m center on things like economics, freedom of speech, property rights. I admit it seems radical now that someone thinks humans should have the same intrinsic value in one place as another place. Just keep on asking yourself why that’s not the case though and it will seem less and less radical to you. People should have basic civil rights everywhere.

If that’s extremist I wear that badge in honor.

The anti slavery crowd wore the extremist badge for generations before mankind came crawling to its senses.

 

[rah]

Why not? Local politicians are entirely capable of making things worse for people. More so, in the short term, given their more direct influence over the day-to-day life of their constituents.

And how would you know which type it was if you don't know who it was?

Judgement based on no facts what-so-ever, typical. For all you know his opponent was up on federal charges. (not that uncommon in Illinois)
Everyone acts like Democratic **** doesn't stink. Pathetic

 

[Estebonrober]

And how would you know which type it was if you don't know who it was?

Judgement based on no facts what-so-ever, typical. For all you know his opponent was up on federal charges. (not that uncommon in Illinois)
Everyone acts like Democratic **** doesn't stink. Pathetic

Idk these last few days these threads have been dominated by people who think Democrats **** does stink. Also most liberals and progressives agree democrats **** stinks. It just stinks less the GOP ****.

 

[rah]

I will agree that it usually stinks less. But I am from chicago and the stink is pretty damn bad. But the new mayor has been a fresh breath of air.

 

[bernie14]

Yea well I’m center on things like economics, freedom of speech, property rights. I admit it seems radical now that someone thinks humans should have the same intrinsic value in one place as another place. Just keep on asking yourself why that’s not the case though and it will seem less and less radical to you. People should have basic civil rights everywhere.

If that’s extremist I wear that badge in honor.

The anti slavery crowd wore the extremist badge for generations before mankind came crawling to its senses.

Well, excuse me for being insensitive to your beliefs but i dont buy that a centrist left on economics position is in line with open borders. Seems to me you are moralizing. You have children right? I'm pretty sure you "value" you kids over some kid in india, or SA or africa. That is called privilege

 

[civvver]

What I am gleaning from this thread is, if I don't agree with you and your politics, I am a bigoted racist. Well at least I know where you stand.

 

[rah]

That seems to sum it up.

 

[Lexicus]

"Humans universally deserve a basic set of rights" is not what I would define as extremism. It is telling that you would.

Bonus point if you refer to this idea as "extremism" but defend "Western civilization" on the internet because of its tradition of "Enlightenment values" and "respect for individual rights"

I'm pretty sure you "value" you kids over some kid in india, or SA or africa. That is called privilege

Yeah, this is not called privilege at all lol

 

[civvver]

A lot of the things you keep posting aren't about racism anyway, they are about immigration status and laws:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nati...olish-doctor-detained-ice-20180122-story.html

ICE didn't look at this guy and go oh you're not brown, nevermind we're not arresting you. Cus it's not about skin color.

 

[Estebonrober]

Well, excuse me for being insensitive to your beliefs but i dont buy that a centrist left on economics position is in line with open borders. Seems to me you are moralizing. You have children right? I'm pretty sure you "value" you kids over some kid in india, or SA or africa. That is called privilege

sure personally I value my children over yours but that doesn’t mean I don’t think your children aren’t worthy of basic civil rights. You call basic civil rights rights privilege and I think that’s immoral.

It is definitely a moral judgement like slavery was two hundred years ago.

 

[Estebonrober]

What I am gleaning from this thread is, if I don't agree with you and your politics, I am a bigoted racist. Well at least I know where you stand.

Im not accusing half of America as being bigots Im saying wearing the hat is a bigoted act. I doubt any person has lived a life and not committed a bigoted act.
Just because a few of us are making similar arguments doesn’t mean we agree completely.

that’s not what I’m saying at all.

Disagree all you want. Just accept criticism. Lord knows I get a ton of it here.

 

[Commodore]

sure personally I value my children over yours but that doesn’t mean I don’t think your children aren’t worthy of basic civil rights. You call basic civil rights rights privilege and I think that’s immoral.

It is definitely a moral judgement like slavery was two hundred years ago.

He didn't say supporting basic rights was extremism, he said supporting open borders is. And that is a pretty extreme position to take since supporting open borders is essentially a declaration that you don't believe nations should exist.

 

[Gorbles]

What I am gleaning from this thread is, if I don't agree with you and your politics, I am a bigoted racist. Well at least I know where you stand.

What do you mean by "politics"? Disagreeing over the best way to regulate marijuana in a specific state, for example, is different from supporting legislation that discriminates against transgender soldiers.

You're being overly-general about what people are (apparently) asking for agreement over. The thing about political viewpoints is you need to be specific, because otherwise things like "I don't support women's rights" becomes "disagreeing with my politics" (generally-speaking, not speaking for you or your views).

 

[Estebonrober]

That seems to sum it up.

That’s not what I’m saying at all. Although I am beginning to feel like some of you want to wallow in self pity.