[What if?] Lead codices suggest that Jesus was gay

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Jesus as an openly gay man (article in spoiler)

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The most astounding finding from the newly discovered lead codices is that Jesus Christ was unambiguously and openly gay. He and his disciples formed a same-sex coterie, bound by feelings of love and mutual support. There are recorded instances of same-sex activity – the "beloved disciple" plays a significant role – and there is affirmation of the joys of friendship and of living and loving together.

A whole new complexion is given to that rather puzzling passage where Jesus exhorts his followers to break family ties: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14, 26). It seems clear now that this is less a negative repudiation of family and more a positive exhortation to join in affirmation of a gay lifestyle and love.

There is at least one new parable, that of the two young men. There are clear echoes of the relationship between David and Jonathan, for Jesus speaks of one young man having his soul "knit with the soul" of the other, and loving him "as his own soul". Intriguing is evidence that the Catholics might be closer to the truth about the status of Mary, the mother of Jesus, than are the Protestants. She has a much bigger role in the life of Jesus than many hitherto expected, with Jesus frequently returning home and making much of her.

Conversely, there is at least one incident when Jesus quarrels violently with Joseph, who shows great hostility and makes wild claims about "manliness". Before, one might have thought that, given Mary's virginity, Joseph's attitude was reflecting the ambiguities of his status in the family; but now it seems more probable that we have here a classic example of the Freudian triangle: over-possessive mother, hostile father, gay son.

Why have we known so little about all of this before? A newly discovered Pauline epistle, appropriately to the Athenians, suggests a major Platonic influence, particularly of the Republic. The classically educated Paul, who was himself gay, saw that same-sex activity was inimical to the success of Christianity in the highly homophobic societies in which he lived. Hence, same-sex affections and activity were concealed, to be known to and practised by only the leaders in secret – the guardians of Christianity as one might say. Obviously, this is a tradition that has flourished and lasted. It is not by chance that John Henry Newman is being made a saint.

Finally, the most important news is that nothing in the newly discovered codices challenges in any way the essential message of Christianity. Jesus was the messiah; he died on the cross for our sins; and through his death and resurrection made possible our eternal salvation. Our overriding obligation is to love God and we do this by loving our neighbours as ourselves. Christianity will never be the same again. Christianity will go on completely unchanged.

The Guardian said:
Christianity will never be the same again. Christianity will go on completely unchanged.
I wish that were only too true, what with the constant furore associated with gay people when it comes to religion. Jesus didn't say, "love thy neighbour as thyself, unless he happens to lie with another man," and, just like the scene where he overturned the tables in/outside the synagogue, I am sure he would be furious with much of what is being claimed today in his name.
 
I agree. I don't quite understand where this 'Jesus is gay' thing comes from, but I 'spose the point is that it sure as hell (a paradoxical choice of phrase, now that I think of it) doesn't matter.
 
article said:
What if the newly found codices provided evidence of Jesus's same-sex activity? Michael Ruse imagines the implications

I honestly wouldn't be all that bothered.

Arakhor said:
I am sure he would be furious with much of what is being claimed today in his name.

It's hard to imagine what a dood from that time period might think of modern political issues... gun control, the pill...? I don't even know what to think... and I don't even really care. Who knows, Jesus might adopt a Dachist mindset like I have.
 
I dislike how this article is a "what if" but then acts like those codices found in Jordan are real (they are most likely fakes as examined here) AND if they talk about christianity. This is even more difficult because the codices have not been translated yet!

As for whether or not jesus was gay, bi, straight or even actually existed I don't particularly care, but it would be funny.
 
Homosexuality was never a concern in the Jewish community, since it was plainly not seen in that community. The lived in strict observance of the OT laws which specifically forbade sex acts outside of a marriage and Jesus clearly defined a marriage as between a man and a woman, so you are barking up the wrong tree.
 
Homosexuality was never a concern in the Jewish community, since it was plainly not seen in that community. The lived in strict observance of the OT laws which specifically forbade sex acts outside of a marriage and Jesus clearly defined a marriage as between a man and a woman, so you are barking up the wrong tree.

So all those draconian laws were about a sexuality that no-one knew about? :hmm:
 
Homosexuality was never a concern in the Jewish community, since it was plainly not seen in that community. The lived in strict observance of the OT laws which specifically forbade sex acts outside of a marriage and Jesus clearly defined a marriage as between a man and a woman, so you are barking up the wrong tree.

Yeah. It's always seemed that the Jesus-was-gay thing is a modern reinterpretation, perhaps wishful thinking.

So all those draconian laws were about a sexuality that no-one knew about? :hmm:

I highly doubt homosexuality was unknown to Jews, considering the Romans didn't have the same hangups. IMHO, had Jesus been gay, he'd've been killed. Oh wait.
 
There is already a pretty extensive body of literature on this topic. I think most scholars believe he wasn't, but there isn't a great consensus.
 
Homosexuality was never a concern in the Jewish community, since it was plainly not seen in that community. The lived in strict observance of the OT laws which specifically forbade sex acts outside of a marriage and Jesus clearly defined a marriage as between a man and a woman, so you are barking up the wrong tree.

True dat. In modern times, there isn't any homos in Iran. Ahmadinejad said so.:lol:
 
If only Biblical passages were truly as ambiguous as some theologians claim, then they could more easily get away with the claims they make of their interpretations.

ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 14:26:

Εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρός με καὶ οὐ μισεῖ τὸν πατέρα ἑαυτοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τὰς ἀδελφάς, ἔτι τε καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἑαυτοῦ, οὐ δύναται εἶναί μου μαθητής.

If anyone goes towards me and doesn't hate his own father and mother and woman and children and brothers and sisters, and yet even his own soul, (then) he is unable to be of my student.


Funny how when I translate NT passages, they come out quite unambiguous. In fact, this sentence is not even a conditional phrase, because it uses the indicative mood in the protasis, indicating that it is a simple fact and not a possibility.
 
Really? I don't recall anywhere in the Judaic prophecies stating that the Messiah would not be homosexual. That's a really unpleasant thing to say, VRWC.
 
Well let's just be realistic here. The Bible clearly states that homosexual sex is an abomination before the Lord. I kinda doubt his one and only begotten son is gonna be a purple teletubby.
 
[What if?] Documents said that the world will end in three seconds?
 
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