What if your race is the dumbest of them all?

[yung.carl.jung]

I don't. I don't accept that "race" is anything but a social construct and so I don't believe that biological variation between humans has anything whatever to do with "race"

There are real, measureable differences between any two groups you take the average of, unless those two groups are quite literally the same in every regard. These differences are there, they are just meaningless.

No one is debating whether or not race is a construct, it obviously is. There is no debate about that.

>I don't believe that biological variation between humans has anything whatever to do with "race"

Neither do I, nor do most people ITT (I hope). Just refer to my pudding/icecream argument.

 

[Kyriakos]

I don't. I don't accept that "race" is anything but a social construct and so I don't believe that biological variation between humans has anything whatever to do with "race"

Depends what you mean, but 'race' usually means a group of people who share some trait used (in this context) to define them, as well as those people being historically or currently in proximity to each other.
Bio features can be tied to that, eg feet (barbarians )

I do agree, of course, that IQ is not tied to "race".

I also don't see 1 or more billion people who are "white", as a "race".

 

[Lexicus]

There are real, measureable differences between any two groups you take the average of, unless those two groups are quite literally the same in every regard. These differences are there, they are just meaningless.

Yes, but I don't think that the "races" are actually such groups, as you seem to understand. "Black" and "white" are not groups "you can take the average of"; they're not groups that "exist" genetically. The same of course goes for other racial categories.

No one is debating whether or not race is a construct, it obviously is. There is no debate about that.

At least two racists in this thread are arguing otherwise.

Depends what you mean, but 'race' usually means a group of people who share some trait used (in this context) to define them, as well as those people being historically or currently in proximity to each other.

But that's not what race means at all. The whole point is that you cannot find any trait that is shared by all members of any "racial" group.

ie,

I also don't see 1 or more billion people who are "white", as a "race".

 

[bernie14]

.........."Sex" is a scientifically valid concept because it is based on biological realities my man. All men are defined by their penis and their set of chromosomes. All women are defined by their vagina and their set of chromosomes......

is it?? I mean you did not distinguish between chromosomal "sex" (that may be an inappropriate trigger word itself) and gender. can I assume that you discriminate against transgendered individuals because your terminology is outdated? .....wordplay and generalizations...it's easy....

 

[Ryika]

Wow. Didn't know yung.carl.jung is bigoted against trans individuals, this new evidence is pretty disgusting.

 

[civver_764]

Average IQ by country:

 

[sophie]

Wow, it's almost like in countries where regular access to education is more spotty (or where chronic malnourishment is a consistent problem) people tend to perform more poorly on IQ tests! Who'da thunk that!

 

[civver_764]

Perhaps low IQ leads to poor education and malnourishment rather than the other way around?

 

[sophie]

Perhaps low IQ leads to poor education and malnourishment rather than the other way around?

That assumes that education in countries with low IQ is freely and easily accessible. In countries where it is, broadly speaking, the IQ is higher. I'll tell you this much. From a personal level, when I'm hungry, I don't tend to focus as hard on the reading or writing that I'm supposed to be doing. When I'm stressed about something else (e.g. money, whether my family is ok in the face of a crisis, etc.) then doing well on a test, and more especially, on a test that has zero wider bearing on my day-to-day life, I'm not going to be devoting as much time and energy to it as I otherwise could.

Assuming your graph is drawing from Lynn & Vanhanen's data, this is precisely one of the objections made against their conclusions and methodology. See:

https://ourworldindata.org/intelligence/

 

[Ryika]

This map looks pretty similar:

 

[Traitorfish]

Clearly the difference in average IQ between Ireland and the United Kingdom is down to genetics (and not to, say, Ireland being a predominately rural country, and the UK being a predominately urban country).

After all, we have a diagram:

i'll stop posting that jpeg when i'm dead.

 

[Berzerker]

is that where black irish comes from?

my aunt claimed our family (irish) had maybe an eighth of portugeuse

I gotta admit I look more like the guy on the left, well not quite that pronounced on the overbite and a little more chin

 

[civver_764]

OK smart guys how do you explain this?

 

[Senethro]

Source?

Edit: Just to be clear, what year and publication was this. I'm wanting to know what they thought it meant since you're using their stuff.

 

[Kyriakos]

Average IQ by country:

Lol, no. Ever been to England? Map is very obviously politicized garbage.

(nm, just saw the US too. I mean, come on )

Clearly the difference in average IQ between Ireland and the United Kingdom is down to genetics (and not to, say, Ireland being a predominately rural country, and the UK being a predominately urban country).

After all, we have a diagram:

i'll stop posting that jpeg when i'm dead.

Indeed.

 

[civver_764]

Source?

Edit: Just to be clear, what year and publication was this. I'm wanting to know what they thought it meant since you're using their stuff.

It seems to have come from this publication.

They blame a lot of different things including white racism, black culture, and a lack of solid family structures in the black community.

 

[Akka]

This map looks pretty similar:

Global warming will make us dumber !
(and as it's denied by dumber people, we can conclude that there will be some sort of feedback effect)

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Yes, but I don't think that the "races" are actually such groups, as you seem to understand. "Black" and "white" are not groups "you can take the average of"; they're not groups that "exist" genetically. The same of course goes for other racial categories.



At least two racists in this thread are arguing otherwise.



But that's not what race means at all. The whole point is that you cannot find any trait that is shared by all members of any "racial" group.

ie,

Look, man.. No, just no. I agree entirely that there "are" no such groups. Please stop with this unecessary semantics stuff I dont have time for this.

Matter of fact is: If you put people into arbitrary groups then averages will differ among those groups. That is it. It doesnt give any validity or credibility to "race" as a concept and it doesnt mean I believe in race, because I dont..

is it?? I mean you did not distinguish between chromosomal "sex" (that may be an inappropriate trigger word itself) and gender. can I assume that you discriminate against transgendered individuals because your terminology is outdated? .....wordplay and generalizations...it's easy....

Just because I see sex a scientifically valid concept does not mean I dont acknowledge the difference between sex and gender, it also does not mean I do not acknowledge the existence of third genders, transgenders or hermaphrodites, because I do, spare me your attacks, you have no basis. assuming that there is something like male and female does not mean you automatically accept there is nothing beyond that, thats ridiculous.

Average IQ by country:

This map is obviously fake, how the f has no one replied to this yet? There is no country on earth with an average IQ lower than 65.. How has this gone unquestioned???

There are not even any scientific sources I can see on that website.

Fact is: Even sub-saharan Africa scores between 85 and 90

When not accounted for cultural/environmental and health factors, it is somewhere between 80 and 85:

See this source: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609000634

 

[Archon_Wing]

I saw the US's IQ and knew it was fake.

ZIng!

 

[Ryika]

This map is obviously fake, how the f has no one replied to this yet?

I didn't even process the numbers, I just saw that it looked like a climate map and immediately searched for one on google.

Apparently, the numbers are from this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

There is some talk, and linked sources, about the (lack of) validity of its findings in the Reception-part of the wiki page.