What is murder?

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Ask a pacifist and a veteran what murder is and you'll likely get very different answers.

Personally, I believe that human life should be protected. Therefore, if human life is put in danger by other humans, destroying the aggressor would not be murder. All life is sacred, and must be kept safe whenever possible. But sometimes to defend life, some will die. It's sad, but that's the world we live in.

Agree? Disagree? Discussion?
 
You should have started a thread called 'Ask a murderer' and wait for somebody to show up and answer the questions. :p
 
Murder is the illegal action of killing someone.

Killing someone legally through execution or war is not murder.
 
So when I want to kill some one it is murder but when the goverment wants to kill some one it is totaly ok. All killing of humans where the victim doesn't concent is murder.

Unfortunately yes.

Murder is a legal term. Not a moral or ethical term.
 
Murder is premeditated or negligent killing.

Self-defense, war and suicide are not murder.
 
A bunch of crows!
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I can't see a situation where you have to kill to protect yourself. That is to excessive. Beating some one I can accept.

People do not act in self-defense in order to kill. They act in order to stop a deadly threat to their life. Whether the perpetrator dies or is just badly wounded is irrelevant.
 
By demonstrating, through his actions or words, that he does not recognise it. If, for example, he murders someone, he has forfeited his own right to live, because there exists no moral basis for him to claim that he respects and therefore possesses that right.
Well put. I completeley agree with you. How do you feel about the death penalty?
 
There are a few important concepts in relation to ethics, which help in such debates. For example the concept of idealism. Idealism being the belief -either conscious or not so conscious) that ideas exist seperated from the pheonomenon of their every day function and occasional appearance in one's consciousness. For example a person can be of the view that there is a set meaning of murder, along with the impression it would make to him, and that if he happens to see a murder he would feel that which murder 'is', in a way like if he happened to fall from a tall bench he would feel certain pain due to the fall because of gravity and his body mass.
However another way to look at things is by de-idealising them. The fact that it is rather obvious (to a degree) that different people have very different views, and very different consciousness as well, leads to the conclusion that we are not moving in a world that has anything set as far as impressions, emotions, thoughts go. Therefore apart from the legal distinctions about murder (which are just laws) the emotional gravity of such an action cannot be argued to be the same, or even similar, for all people.
It is very usefull that the law is against murder, since in an organised society there have to exist laws, and ultimately the law could only be against the destruction of human life in such a direct way. However the law is not a reply to what anyone specifically feels about murder.
In ancient greek mythology, for example, there had been the Herinyes (not sure what they are called in english) which were winged, monstrous creatures which appeared to murderers so as to make them suffer for their crime, and were generally personifications of guilt. In this way an abstract and personal emotion (guilt) was given a collective form, which is another form of idealism, this time in art.
But any person would be feeling something very different, and exact, nomatter in what depth he would or would not be able to examine it. That the law recognised 'murder' as a set term is only another type of usefull idealism, since the law is not part of active thought or emotion (which again is thought, but unexamined) but a system of organisation of approximated accepted ethics.

Another argument from ancient Greece is that of Plato, that people do "evil" only out of ignorance, and therefore that development of their way to think would banish that 'evil'.

In psychology, which appeared in scientific form only in the beginning of the 20th century, there is much focus on the break up of negative and positive experiences in the early years, as for example they can be seen in children of very young age who feel that they have to "return" the negativity which was inflicted on them by hostile actions of other children or adults.
 
After 9/11, we celebrated the end of moral relativism, therefore the entire world uses the morals of Christian conservatives as the only true morality in the world.

Therefore, it only counts as murder if it's a foetus. Once it is born, its life becomes worthless and disposable. Gawd praise st. Bush!
 
After 9/11, we celebrated the end of moral relativism, therefore the entire world uses the morals of Christian conservatives as the only true morality in the world.

Therefore, it only counts as murder if it's a foetus. Once it is born, its life becomes worthless and disposable. Gawd praise st. Bush!

Can i have some of what your smoking? I may not be as liberal as you but i think thats a good thing. :lol:
 
Murder is the illegal killing of a human being. A legal killing of a human being would be killing an enemy soldier in war, executing a criminal sentenced to death, or killing in defense of self or other innocents.
 
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