MobBoss
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Without faith, any advice he would give him would be hollow.
'Sure Private, the Bible says thus and so, but I don't really believe in that garbage, why do you'?
Yeah. Atheists as Chaplains? Nah. Bad idea.
What would an atheist chaplain do?
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Without faith, any advice he would give him would be hollow.
'Sure Private, the Bible says thus and so, but I don't really believe in that garbage, why do you'?
Yeah. Atheists as Chaplains? Nah. Bad idea.
The rest of the west is calling these humanist people something that is entirely the wrong thing to call them. It's the rest of the west outside of America that has it wrong and should change.
EDIT: Btw Warpus, I hope you're not taking any of this personally. It's not really directed at you as such, it's just that you're the one most defending the improper usage of the word. I'm still quite fond of you, even if you do pronounce pen and pin incorrectly as well.
EDIT: Btw Warpus, I hope you're not taking any of this personally. It's not really directed at you as such, it's just that you're the one most defending the improper usage of the word. I'm still quite fond of you, even if you do pronounce pen and pin incorrectly as well.
They do provide religious services. That is exactly what they are there for... Am I missing something?
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I dunno. I just can't imagine what a humanist would tell a soldier. "Be sure to duck" maybe?
Why on Earth would he say it like that?
Being an atheist doesn't make you an insensitive cock, if someone asks "I'm a Christian, what should I do about problem X?", answering honestly with what a Christian should do isn't being disingenuous.
MobBoss
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He's an atheist of course!
Why would you think 'stop believing in a fairy tale' a disingenuous comment from an Atheist?
Must not be much of an atheist then if he has to compromise his own beliefs in order to comfort someone with a religion he has no faith in.
I mean seriously, stand this on its head. How would a Christian comfort an atheist soldier if the roles were reversed? He wouldn't try to tell the kid to be more of an atheist - he would try to tell him the truth as he sees it - the Christian truth.
It's actually how a lot of converts to Christianity is done. Those without faith, at the end of their hope find that Christ is the answer and become powerful Christians via their testimony of how they were saved.
Now if that's a fairly realistic version of how such a thing would go down, then why is it disingenuous to think the same thing would occur if the roles were reversed?
Answer: it wouldn't.
There is a chaplain program that visits the building I office out of. They try to provide services without pushing religion, though it is obvious they are a particular brand of Christians.
Rashiminos
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Whoa there. Why does non-belief in deities and/or divinity imply a lack of religion?
In many ways it is already, even without counting nihilists.
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warpus
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I love you too man, but I think this thread would be helped quite a bit if somebody actually checked what those humanist chaplains do and whether they do it well.
What are the soldiers saying about it? Are they satisfied with the services? Do they have problems with these potentially atheist chaplains?
But nobody seems to care. And as for MobBoss thinking that all atheists are dicks, that's just hilarious
So standing this on its head, if an atheist went to a Christian chaplain for comfort the only advice he'd get is "You're going to burn in hell you dirty sinner!"
Sounds like you have a pretty low opinion of Christian chaplains.
Why would you think 'stop believing in a fairy tale' a disingenuous comment from an Atheist?
I never implied this.
I wouldn't have to compromise my own beliefs. If I'm comforting a Christian, I can honestly say the same things to him as a Christian chaplain would.
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Saying the same thing is not doing the same thing. The person on the receiving end knows you are not of the same mind and there is no connection. It's not about the words, it's the connection and its the mission of a chaplain (US) to provide a religious on. That's not the only connection you can make, but there are other places to get those such as psychologists as mentioned earlier.
Even a Muslim counceling Christian isn't going to say the same thing, he is going to find some general platitude concerning God or faith that is congruent with moth religions and do his best. But he is still doing so religiously, from a sincere faith, as is their stated mission and an atheist can never do that.
Which is exactly why chaplains are provided by churches and not recruited by the military, their religious authority is derived from that church.
Even a Muslim counceling Christian isn't going to say the same thing, he is going to find some general platitude concerning God or faith that is congruent with moth religions and do his best. But he is still doing so religiously, from a sincere faith, as is their stated mission and an atheist can never do that.
Which is exactly why chaplains are provided by churches and not recruited by the military, their religious authority is derived from that church.
There are other place you can get the religious component too.
Rashiminos
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And you believe this to be the same thing.
Those duped by ancient texts would seem dupable when it comes to body language and tone.
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