Mise
isle of lucy
Well, mine and Leoreth's so far. I never claimed the perception is commonplace, just that it is valid.Whose perception has Europe ending before at the Belarussian border? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely confused.
Where is Poland?
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Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
So, no.
Thanks for posting a picture of Western Europeans fighting against Romani.
Mise said:
Mise said:
Mise - you have no any good justification to arbitrarily draw another line along the border of Belarus and Ukraine...
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
Domen said:
So, no.
And now??? Is it OK now?:
BTW - on this picture we can see some of the greatest Western European inventions in history - trousers (AmE - pants) and plaid clothes.
Romans, unlike Western Europeans, had no knowledge of trousers - and for this single reason I would never want to live in Ancient Rome...
Mise
isle of lucy
I've given several good justifications. Sadly, since they all involve Poland being in the Eastern half of Europe, they all fall on deaf ears. All you guys want to hear is that Poland isn't in Eastern Europe. Why? Because you have hang-ups about the Cold War, and irrationally believe that being in Central Europe is somehow more dignified and modern. You're the ones still living in the past, with this irrational belief that Eastern Europe = bad. Everyone else has gotten over the Cold War and moved on. Why can't you?
Funny thing is, last time this thread came up, everyone in PL and CZ was at pains to say that Russia was nothing like Poland or Czech Rep, that it was a historically and culturally distinct entity that had nothing to do with the rest of Europe. Now everyone's bleating about how European Russian culture is and how it so obviously belongs with Poland and Czech Republic! Hilarious.
Funny thing is, last time this thread came up, everyone in PL and CZ was at pains to say that Russia was nothing like Poland or Czech Rep, that it was a historically and culturally distinct entity that had nothing to do with the rest of Europe. Now everyone's bleating about how European Russian culture is and how it so obviously belongs with Poland and Czech Republic! Hilarious.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
No! I am actually happy that you was gracious enough to include Poland in Europe at all!
Nobody was writing how "European" Russian culture is (whatever it means) - we only wrote that Russia is clearly part of European continent.
Regarding Russian culture - throughout history cultural influences came to Russia both from Europe and from Asia. Russian "political culture" (i.e. the way of exercising power, at first by Tsars, then by dictators and "comrades", now by Putin) clearly adopted many of its features from the Mongol Empire.
On the other hand, Russian "daily life culture" was certainly much more strongly influenced by various European regions and by the Byzantines.
Via the Byzantines the heritage of the Ancient Greco-Roman culture came to Russia (while to Poland it came via Western Christendom).
But why would that be a modern conception? Ethnically Russians are overwhelmingly Caucasian. Of course that doesn't really mean all that much, but it does more resemble Europe than Asia. The language is related to European languages, not Asian ones. The dominant religion is more European than Asian. Culturally they certainly have their own thing going, but it seems more European than Asian. I just don't get the argument.
Certainly I would say they are backwards compared to most other Europeans in most social, economic, cultural, respects. But that in and of itself doesn't seem to me to be an argument that they are more Asian than European.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
No, because geographically speaking Poland is basically right in the centre of Europe. I haven't read the last couple pages of this thread though.
Going by that logic, it's the people who are still using cold war terms haven't moved on, though.
I like to travel, so I visit travel related websites quite often. Whenever somebody posts a thread like "I'm going to Eastern Europe for 2 weeks! Poland, Hungary, Czech Rep.. Tips please? What should I see?", there will usually be several people responding with: "Just make sure you do not use the term 'eastern europe' while there. Most people will probably not care, but some might get offended".
It's an outdated term that people still use because they don't know any better. You might as well educate them
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
There is no such thing like "culturally having your own thing going". No country exists in total isolation from other countries (even China during its historical period of deliberate isolation policy or North Korea at present) - every country's culture is always a mix of both locally developed traditions and foreign influences.
Nations also adopt things from their neighbours, from their ancestors or from the peoples they conquer. See the Roman Empire, for example.
"Different" doesn't mean "backwards".
I bet my grandma's supply of X-mas pie that frakin'ing every street in the Poles district is named after Pulaski or Copernicus ! hahaha
All you need to know is that we celebrate Casimir Pulaski Day
Borachio
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Look. All this fuss about where Poland is! It's making my head spin.
If you want to go there - and why wouldn't you? - if you're in Germany head east, and in Ukraine head west, and so forth.
Poland is where Poland is. End of story.
As for Europe: There really is no such thing. Take a globe and draw squiggly lines on it to suit yourselves.
If you want to go there - and why wouldn't you? - if you're in Germany head east, and in Ukraine head west, and so forth.
Poland is where Poland is. End of story.
As for Europe: There really is no such thing. Take a globe and draw squiggly lines on it to suit yourselves.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
Link to video.
True! There is just water and surface of landmass above water level.
And if anything, there is Eurasia - Europe is not a separate continent / landmass, but rather a large peninsula of Eurasia.
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
In this video Poland (on the map) is enlarged too much ! I don't mind being a Pole myslef. 
As controversial as it may seem I am as much proud of my country as I am displeased and fed up with it !
I don't mind being a Pole myslef. As controversial as it may seem I am as much proud of my country as I am displeased and fed up with it !
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
How so? I think the proportions are correct (check any other map and compare).
Area of Poland is 312,679 square km (compared to 357,114 for Germany and 43,094 for Denmark or 45,227 for Estonia):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area
So area of Poland is basically the same area of Germany minus area of Denmark or Estonia.
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
Wishful thinking on my part .... Wish we would dominate eastern Europe like we used to (being a barricade for Islam Turks), Liberators of Vienne, Hard Rock Steel barricade against communist expansion and all that is a threat to Europe .... ah those were the days ..... "Jeszcze się książe ponajeżdża
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Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
I think modern Poland has a fair size. Well, Germany is not much bigger after all. 
Germans should be pissed off.
In fact we should have been friends with the Turks. Poland and Turkey had common enemies.
Too bad religious differences were more important than Realpolitik. As the result both Poland and Turkey declined.
Well, Germany is not much bigger after all. Germans should be pissed off.In fact we should have been friends with the Turks. Poland and Turkey had common enemies.
Too bad religious differences were more important than Realpolitik. As the result both Poland and Turkey declined.
salty mud
Deity
Actually, no. We say Poland is in the central Europe because, *gasp* it's in the middle of Europe. Who'd have thought it?
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
Islam, Turks, Communism - maybe they were a threat to Europe, but at the same time all these things were parts of Europe.
It is a future tense form of a verb "to invade around" (something like "to travel around").
"Jeszcze się książę ponajeżdża" - "Prince, you are still going to invade around".
AdamCrock
Polish Pirate
it means invading
the sentence "Jeszcze się książe ponajeżdża" is taken from a beer commercial here in Poland and it means something like "You'll see Your invading soon enough my prince"
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