Where is Poland?
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Pokurcz
Emperor
Basically only half of Ukrain want to be a part of Russia, the ethnically Russian part.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
But of course! They are ethnically and historically Russian, as you well know - like any other small defenceless countries within range of Russian protection.
There is only one Slavic ethnicity. The subdivision of it shouldn't really be considered 'ethnos'. Russians, Poles, Czechs, Ukrainians are just the tribes, plemena, some of which, by a series of various historical accidents, got themselves institutionalised states. There should be just one confederative Slavic state.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Just like their should be one Greater German Reich, huh? 
Well first you have to get rid of papa Godfather Putin...
Just like their should be one Greater German Reich, huh?
The concept of Reich, as we percieve it nowadays, has a lot of unwanted and creepy, to say the least, baggage. So no, the concept of Reich isn't good.
But if it was a simple Confederacy of Germanic countries, without any conquests or nasty stuff, sure, why not?
I also would try to unite Poles, Czech and Slovaks first...
@Gorakshanat
These are technicalities. I'm talking about the concept. Btw, Russia shouldn't necessarily be the initiator or the one setting the framework (but, realistically, it will most likey be the one).
It should be the most democratic state evah.
These are technicalities. I'm talking about the concept. Btw, Russia shouldn't necessarily be the initiator or the one setting the framework (but, realistically, it will most likey be the one).
It should be the most democratic state evah.
Pokurcz
Emperor
Pokurcz
Emperor
The problem with uniting the slavs is that ther is just to much baggage in the history trunk.
We should start by burning books! Oh wait...
We should start by burning books! Oh wait...
We could all agree to forget it in the name of the greater good. As for forgiving, well this comes with time. Russians have forgiven Poles about all the nasty stuff in 11-18th centuries. One day Poles will stop being mad too. The longer we wait the more complicated it gets to be united.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Well, to be fair, Russia did brutally annihilate Polish sovereignty for the better part of two centuries. Kind of hard to get over that.
Yeah. It didn't do that out of the boom, though, right? The history of Russo-Polish conflict is *way* more deep and complicated than you seem to assume. Sufficent ot say it were the Poles who started it by invading Kiev. Throughout history Poles were no less bastards to Russians than Russians were to Poles. 'Tis time we call it quits and move on.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Because there would be no practical gain from it? Because categories like "Germanic" and "Slavic" exist as linguistic abstractions, not as authentic human communities? Because language is only one dimension of cultural, and a secondary one at that? Because designing the flag that didn't piss at least one constituent people off would be an absolute nightmare? All are, I think, valid objections.
There is every practical gain from it to Slavic countries, imo. Lots of energy resources, nukes, territory among other things. And I'm yet to meet a Slavic person, to whom "categories like "Germanic" and "Slavic" exist as linguistic abstractions" rather than "authentic human communities". At the bottom line we're all just humans, yes. Yet we do unite based on common economic interest, first and foremost, and also different sentimental things. As a Scot you should know.
The flag would involve lots of blue, white and red and eagles. Something all Slavs can relate to
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Those things are all there to begin with, they don't require a pan-Slavic confederation.
What people think and what is actually the case do not necessarily coincide.
It's far from obvious that in either case anyone stands to gain from this except Russia. Would the Czech Republic really benefit from having the weight of the fUSSR on its economy? Do Slovenians really have any sentimental attachment to Russia?
I'm afraid I don't follow.
Umm, dunno about that. EU is still energy dependant on Russia and still payes a good deal of moneyz. While being a part of it Slavic countries do that too. While Ukraine and Belarus have it super cheap (as long as they don't try anything stupid) and also get moneyz for the transit.
In what way exactly would Czechia be burdened by the weight of "fUSSR" economy? It would get a huge market with significant preferences and cheaper natural resources for thier industries. It wouldn't have to partake in bailouts or anything like it does now. Besides, anyways, we're solely talking about the concept. The framework, the rules of intercation within the confederacy is entirely a subject of discussion and consensus now.
And how do you think Russia benefits from that? There's very little to gain economically actually, other than sentimental notion of fulfilling the purpose of it's existance.
From what I know, there certainly is a sentimental attachment between all Slavs knowing thier history. And the similiarity of the language. And many other things, lying in the sentimental realm.
Oh, nevermind. Lately I've been encountering many increasingly nationalist and anti-English Scots on the interwebz. Talking about the power of sentimental things over economic gains.
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