Traitorfish
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In all fairness, Dachs has a hell of a poke face. (Or whatever the hell you'd call it in this context.)
Which country is the most nationalistic?
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Ergo Sum
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I don't find the latter part of this true at all, the terms of media discourse in the US are so far right that any real rejection of the masturbatory "USA #1" status quo gets one labeled anti-American. I would say most people in the US accept American nationalism at a very basic level which is why anything resembling a public repudiation of nationalism gets one slandered.
That said, USA #1.
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wilycoyote
King
I think what you said and what you are disagreeing with aren't mutually exclusive. I agree with both. The right tends to be ultra-nationalistic, the left much more apologetic. Someone like me, a centrist, combines both. I do consider myself American and am proud of it, but I am not stupid enough to think America is absolutely better than all other nations. We are who we are. Regardless of what that is, I am part of it.
Ergo Sum
Prince
I am largely like you, I acknowledge that I have much of the material comfort I enjoy by dint of living in the US, but I don't feel any reason to put value in nationalism. I just don't think there's any prominent contingent in the US public sphere whose modus operandi is apologism or white guilt. They're simply marginalized.
aronnax
Let your spirit be free
Many (though not all) Singaporeans have very nationalistic and racists views of other countries.
By being the only Highly-developed country in South of Japan and West of Brunei and East of Oman, economic status has imbue that Singaporeans are 'better' than other countries.
The situation is so bad that Mainland Chinese are negatively perceived and sometimes viewed as a seperate 'race' whereas Hong Kongers and Taiwanese are seen as their superiors.
A Taiwanese comic made fun of Singaporean Chinese. The country went ballistic on the internet calling Taiwan 'gay' and 'idiots'.
Nationalism in Singapore is not being as poor as Indonesia or the Philippines
I do not like this country. Even it's racist nationalism is worse than racist nationalism of other countries because it is also elitist.
By being the only Highly-developed country in South of Japan and West of Brunei and East of Oman, economic status has imbue that Singaporeans are 'better' than other countries.
The situation is so bad that Mainland Chinese are negatively perceived and sometimes viewed as a seperate 'race' whereas Hong Kongers and Taiwanese are seen as their superiors.
A Taiwanese comic made fun of Singaporean Chinese. The country went ballistic on the internet calling Taiwan 'gay' and 'idiots'.
Nationalism in Singapore is not being as poor as Indonesia or the Philippines
I do not like this country. Even it's racist nationalism is worse than racist nationalism of other countries because it is also elitist.
Berzerker
Deity
far too many
That all just depends on who you listen to. There are plenty of people like Susan Sontag or Noam Chomsky, just attend a university lecture.
Floating Pants
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Honestly Cuba really comes to mind, even though you never hear Cuban-Americans saying good things about their country... 
The country has a long history of nationalist movements and politics.
Also, Armenians. Seems that every Armenian I've talked to on the internet is obsessed with making their country seem important.
The country has a long history of nationalist movements and politics.Also, Armenians. Seems that every Armenian I've talked to on the internet is obsessed with making their country seem important.
Ergo Sum
Prince
And how much airplay does Noam Chomsky get?
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
If you agree with me that each person deserves a certain amount of "respect" or "attention", then you should agree that also nations - which are simply communities of people, of real persons (usually people who share some common identity) - not some "abstract formations" - also deserve them, as such.
For example insulting a nation is often (maybe not always) at the same time insulting its members. Am I right?
I'm surprised that a German person in 21st century claims that nations don't deserve any respect or attention - experience of the Holocaust didn't teach you anything? Well, of course, Jewish nation received a lot of attention from the Germans during the Holocaust - just not enough respect.
If you say that nations don't deserve and shouldn't demand from the world public any "respect" - then why nowadays there is so much condemnation for those, who - for example - do not respect Jewish nation? Just because they were so opressed in the past (more than others?). Or there is some specific reason?
Well said. People can and should decide themselves who deserves their respect and who doesn't. Demanding attention from others is childish.
He's pretty famous. Are we measuring a country's nationalism only by people on TV?
Batey
Chieftain
Just my +1 in the discussion, Turkey and Hungary (going against the EU is pretty aggressive).
I don't know if you've genuinely misunderstood me or try to twist my words, anyway:
1) Persons deserve respect on a basic level, as in that I recognize that they are fellow human beings that are not different from me. It's not that kind of respect I was referring to, and it's not that kind of respect nationalists demand. They want applause for their achievements or greatness, and want people to respect that it's there.
2) And more importantly, yes I do reject your notion of "nation = collection of people". People are individuals and should be judged as such, by their own merit. If someone achieves something great, then he or she deserves the credit, not the nation the person's part of. Randomly being part of the same nation as that person doesn't entitle anyone else to respect.
In many ways, nations are just "abstract formations". Some things nationalists take their pride in don't even exist in actual reality. No matter if Germans or Poles can "rightfully claim" Copernicus, it's a moot point, because whatever Copernicus did has nothing to do with both Germany and Poland today. Copernicus is a really good example for this because he likely wouldn't even understand the question if he's German or Pole.
You're not. What does "insulting a nation" even entail?
Is the sentence "I don't care about Armenia" insulting to the Armenian nation? I can care about what I want, and frankly, it really shouldn't matter to Armenians [or any other nation you could insert here] if I care. If they think their country is great, fine, I don't see what I've got to do with this.
Or are you referring to stuff like "all French are cheese eating surrender monkeys"? Things like that are usually stereotypes played for laughs. And even if you're not trying to make a joke, you literally can only insult a nation by attacking a stereotype. Because, you know, nations are made up by highly diverse individuals. If someone is insulted by it, hey, whom the shoe fits? But everyone's in the "insulted" nation is simply free to say "I don't fall under the stereotyped view you have on my country, so I don't care".
If someone says Germans don't have a sense of humour, I don't go "HOW DARE YOU, we had the Comedian Harmonists!" or whatever, I just say "I think my sense of humour is just fine, thank you".
I don't really know where to start here.
Firstly, arguments like that make me wish to delete my location entry. Seriously.
Secondly, your attempt to construe a "Jewish Nation" in pre-WW2 Germany is just stock full of Unfortunate Implications. It implies that German Jews were somehow a "foreign body" in Germany, and you know what? That's exactly the standard antisemitic argument that was used to agitate against Jews. Most Jews in Germany identified as German (with their own cultural and religious heritage, of course), which even led to things like Jewish WW1 veterans publicly displaying their war commendations during the rise of antisemitism to prove that they're loyal to the country (which only infuriated these antisemites even more, of course). To suggest there was a "Jewish nation" in Germany is just as ridiculous as to say there's a Jewish nation or a Black nation in the USA now. That even further goes to show that nation is an insufficient concept to describe cultural identities in any meaningful way.
Thirdly, are you seriously suggesting that the problem with the holocaust was lack of national respect? Seriously? It was an endeavor solely fueled by nationalism and its even uglier stepchild, racism. Most of the arguments fielded by you, like national achievements and history, are exactly the justifications the Nazis employed to style themselves a "master race" and to be entitled to commit the holocaust in the first place. So even though I hate invoking Godwin, have you learned anything from the holocaust? Talk about backfiring analogies.
I don't know where you're taking that from. There are people who hate Jews, period, whether they're part of the Jewish nation (namely, Israel) or not. So nationalism doesn't really enter into it. Then there are people who don't like Israel, because of what it does, and it's only incidental that it's a Jewish state (those for whom it isn't belong into the first group).
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They probably aren't the most...Germans are very proud of having achieved the greatness of not being nationalistic
Italians get pretty nationalistic too...
Here is something I hated while living in Italy, if it wasn't Italian, they weren't really interested in the product. They had their coffee, no other coffee could get off the ground (not that I minded not seeing Starbucks all over the place in Italy!)... Donuts? Nope, they have brioche, which are generally inferior... etc, etc.
Exceptions - German cars, American Harleys, and women from anywhere were imported quite regularly.
From all I've heard, the Japanese are pretty ridiculously nationalistic.
We Americans are... and I don't count the people who sport Canadian flag apparel while traveling as "true 'Mericans", for the record. Sell outs (at least they end up giving Canadia a bad name when they display further ignorance whilst abroad).
The Greeks tend to be somewhat insane when it comes to their nationalism... even after generations in America!
Some of the least nationalistic... the Dutch, Scandinavians... at least in my experiences.
Oh, for the record, that was me being ironic.
What I was meant to say was that there are Germans who take not being nationalistic to nationalistic levels
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Hahah, I get it.Oh, for the record, that was me being ironic.
What I was meant to say was that there are Germans who take not being nationalistic to nationalistic levels
My dad once told me, "scratch a german, find a nationalist"... you guys have been a pretty awesome nation, take out a certain 12 year stretch.
Now I can't be happy that you said this because it would undermine the point I was trying to make two posts earlier 
But seriously, I think you really would need to subtract more than 12 years. Anyway it's the present and future that counts, with the advantage that the future still can be changed
But seriously, I think you really would need to subtract more than 12 years. Anyway it's the present and future that counts, with the advantage that the future still can be changed
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