Kentharu
Zebra Commander
I think WWW has matured rather nicely since those dark days.
While We Wait: Boredom Strikes Back
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Abaddon
Deity
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Moderator Action: Relevant history, but let's keep it spoilered at least.
I created a new forum an about 80% of nesing registered. We even started a few nes. I believe eq considered porting his twtud nes. The ban was obviously overturned, an turner shifted away from nesing. So I closed the forum an we came back
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
We aren't allowed to talk about what the mods do under penalty of law.
IIRC, I was asked to mod NESing in January 2009. Things had been a bit unruly in the WWW threads and turner had stepped in to settle things down. Abaddon's story is on target and we had a fair amount of discussion of it all in the staff forum. For some in the staff forum, WWW was nothing more than a spam thread or even a chat thread. Others saw it as an important element of the NESing community and as a way to keep the "worst" off game posts all in one place. TF endorsed its continuance as long as did not become a subset of OT or an unruly battleground for personal attacks. You have all done well in the past 18 months.
BTW, combining threads is easy.
Ninja Dude
Sorry, I wasn't listening...
I'm not sure, I think I do have some faint recollection of Turner's crackdown. I think you people run away too much, making it all blur in my head.
Then again, never-ending Internet exodi are rather fitting considering how often people seem to do that in NESes.
In hindsight, Thlayli would have been the perfect leader for our movement
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
IIRC, I was asked to mod NESing in January 2009. Things had been a bit unruly in the WWW threads and turner had stepped in to settle things down. Abaddon's story is on target and we had a fair amount of discussion of it all in the staff forum. For some in the staff forum, WWW was nothing more than a spam thread or even a chat thread. Others saw it as an important element of the NESing community and as a way to keep the "worst" off game posts all in one place. TF endorsed its continuance as long as did not become a subset of OT or an unruly battleground for personal attacks. You have all done well in the past 18 months.
It's really nice to know these things. Mod actions are rarely talked about in open forums for obvious reasons, and these behind-the-scenes details are very interesting. Thanks for the information.
Awesome. But, when thinking about it, I think I might as well look back on your remaining post; you wrote it yourself, regardless of what the outcome was, many of the old WWW threads are problematic. I don't want to be related to the flaming of yore. I think the best point is written by you:
Read: Past 18 months, not before that. If we are to honor the NESing community and show our interest in NESing and CFC (And keep the respect of the mods), we shouldn't identify with what has been a mishmash of (very) good posts, but also endless flaming and spam. If we keep it up like we have the past 18 months, we can easily get somewhere. There's no need to stir the anger of the
EDIT: edited in a paragraph.
Fear not, there is little likelihood of old business stirring up any anger among the mods. That past is behind us all and the pit was never so deep as to wake the balrogs of ancient Moria.
Kraznaya
Princeps
It's really nice to know these things. Mod actions are rarely talked about in open forums for obvious reasons, and these behind-the-scenes details are very interesting. Thanks for the information.
Awesome. But, when thinking about it, I think I might as well look back on your remaining post; you wrote it yourself, regardless of what the outcome was, many of the old WWW threads are problematic. I don't want to be related to the flaming of yore. I think the best point is written by you:
Read: Past 18 months, not before that. If we are to honor the NESing community and show our interest in NESing and CFC (And keep the respect of the mods), we shouldn't identify with what has been a mishmash of (very) good posts, but also endless flaming and spam. If we keep it up like we have the past 18 months, we can easily get somewhere. There's no need to stir the anger of thegmods.
EDIT: edited in a paragraph.
Oh really.
Yes, the WWW of current day is such a paragon of forward thinking and quality posting compared to the absolute muck of yesteryears. Take for example, these absolutely brilliant posts, all found on one page of this thread (complete posts are quoted, although attribution is not given due to flexible application of flaming rules):Yep, clearly not a cesspool of useless chatroom comments!
WWW has always been an awful place and always will be an awful place, and one unnamed mod's ridiculous waste of time on a power trip doesn't make one period of WWW more awful than the rest.
I have followed all the www threads since the first post in the first thread and all of them have their ups and downs. Finding 5, 10, 50 or 500 posts that would be considered spam in other threads, is to be somewhat expected.Oh really.
Yep, clearly not a cesspool of useless chatroom comments!
WWW has always been an awful place and always will be an awful place, and one unnamed mod's ridiculous waste of time on a power trip doesn't make one period of WWW more awful than the rest.
For the most part these threads have fulfilled their mission: provide a place for comments and discussion that are not related to specific games in a less strict setting. While recent threads may be spammy, they are not nearly as hostile as we have seen in the past. In my opinion, fluff is much better than hostility.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Oh really.
Yep, clearly not a cesspool of useless chatroom comments!
WWW has always been an awful place and always will be an awful place, and one unnamed mod's ridiculous waste of time on a power trip doesn't make one period of WWW more awful than the rest.
1) It doesn't hurt you. Why do you want this thread away? What good can it bring you? It keeps NESes cleaner and the remaining community has good benefits from WWW, it is therefore good for our community.
2) It doesn't hurt the forum, and I've found plenty of good discussions about NESing in here. If you want to prove anything, link to the page where 18 out of 20 posts apparently were, in your eyes, degenerate. Or you could just report the thread instead of doing this. Also; indirect flaming is still flaming. Your source is unconfirmed until I actually read the posts...
3) Even if you reported the thread, Birdjaguar stated that the thread had improved since the earlier threads. The mods think so too in general, otherwise the thread would be closed.
4) At last, can I kindly ask you why you seem to deliberately attempt to mark my words as inferior? I mean, this is purely a discussion, but all I ever get from you is semitrolly mockery of my posts, which only reminds me of Symphony D.'s regular attacks on my person. He simply thought I was an idiot. I'm kindly hoping for you to tell me it's not true. I'm sorry that this had to go in here, but I've had the gut feeling for a long time, because of some traces in your rhethoric that specifically hint you don't like me (Which was related to the incident with Symphony D. IIRC). Just tell me if my gut feeling is true, because your posts make me feel uncomfortable once in a while.
What you seem to think is that WWW doesn't meet a NESing standard; it's not a very spammy thread contrary to what you think, at least in my eyes. (Heck, it could be because I returned in the middle of WWW, while you're probably referring to a page earlier in the thread.) NESers are different. I, myself, am much more casual than the most, Symphony D. was a great example on how he wanted NESing to be a very intellectual community and bash dumb people until they learn. I like the detailed, simulational threads that pop up, but I never play them. Rather, I prefer Daft's beautifully colored NESes and his simple premises. They charm me.
Also, can I ask the mods (Birdjaguar) not to infract Kraznaya for telling me if he doesn't like me or thinks I'm stupid? I really want to know...
Oh. You have no idea at all.
Go on, beat the game! And then come back and we can complain about Hell. It's called "the Sacred Grounds" officially, but even Pixel himself calls it "hell". It's the "bonus" final stage.
silver2039 hasn't taken part in this discussion, dude.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
silver2039 hasn't taken part in this discussion, dude.
What do you mean?
And neither has karalysia...All those "K" names can be confusing.silver2039 hasn't taken part in this discussion, dude.
Personal comments might be better via pm.
You're getting silvers alt karalysia mixed up with kraznaya
Kraznaya
Princeps
I have followed all the www threads since the first post in the first thread and all of them have their ups and downs. Finding 5, 10, 50 or 500 posts that would be considered spam in other threads, is to be somewhat expected.
For the most part these threads have fulfilled their mission: provide a place for comments and discussion that are not related to specific games in a less strict setting. While recent threads may be spammy, they are not nearly as hostile as we have seen in the past. In my opinion, fluff is much better than hostility.
That's awfully revisionist history, if you look at the backlog of WWWs. The unnamed mod's stated motive for closing WWWs was always spam, and never "hostility." The bagging of heated discussion as public enemy number is a decidedly recent phenomenon, which I guess should be expected considering the sycophantic circle jerking that goes on now.
Of course, I contend the assertation that heated discussion is a bad thing: pointed disagreements such as the discussion on Ireland or rules evaluation in your very own BirdNES 3 preview thread had such heated discussions due to the contentious nature of disagreements and it was only through thorough dismissal of invalid points that truth and common sense prevailed.
I don't know if you're hitting me with a strawman or just purely misunderstanding my point, but you're mistaken. I never wanted WWW done away with; in fact, as you can see from my first post in this discussion, I wanted the previous WWW threads merged into this one because of pro-NES forum chauvinism.
Uh, what? Are you saying those posts don't exist? They start from this post.
We're being evaluated on a far different standard of moderation than was used for previous WWWs.
Deliberately mark your words as inferior? I respond to posts I disagree with combatively regardless of the opposite, be it das or Lord of Elves. If you honestly want to know what I think of you based on your extended discussions you have about NESing (definitely a weak point of yours, as opposed to when you're harnessing your energy to more creative pursuits), I do find fault in your tendency to play the victim and accuse the opponent of personal attacks when they are only looking to dismiss your incorrect points (See: BirdNES3 Survey). We also have fundamental differences in our outlook on the NES forum, but that applies for me to many more people than you.
Dude, if you're that obsessed with what exactly I think of you, the least you could do is remember my name...
I would appreciate it if you would stop dancing around this.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Brainfart. I'm tired. I meant Kraznaya.
EDIT: I just read your post, Kraznaya, and well, I'm happy if it's the way you put it. One of the first things you discussed with me, however, was my relationship with Symphony D., and how I (Among other people) weren't treating him well. It must be coincidence then; since you have a good tendency to disagree with me overall. At least during the discussions when he left; you did come out as thinking I was below the threshold to be a good component of the forum. I've just never seen you construct from the bricks my posts have, rather derail when I try to hold the foundation. Which made me ask.
Again, I'm really happy you clarified. Thanks.
EDIT: I just read your post, Kraznaya, and well, I'm happy if it's the way you put it. One of the first things you discussed with me, however, was my relationship with Symphony D., and how I (Among other people) weren't treating him well. It must be coincidence then; since you have a good tendency to disagree with me overall. At least during the discussions when he left; you did come out as thinking I was below the threshold to be a good component of the forum. I've just never seen you construct from the bricks my posts have, rather derail when I try to hold the foundation. Which made me ask.
Again, I'm really happy you clarified. Thanks.
First, all history is revisionist and mostly written by the victors.
Let's not go into any specifics of past moderation please. In the past the WWW controversies have been, spam, personal attacks and OT topics. Heated discussion has not been unless it got personal. I am certainly not against strong opinions (having a few myself) and not against people airing those opinions. How such airings are done is important though. And as a mod, I need to pay more attention as to how they are aired than as a regular poster.
I enjoy discussions about NESing rules and concepts. I wish we had more. In our staff forum discussions about this thread, the question of spam was the focus, but in the end the spam issue was subordinated to the previous success of the thread and its perceived value as a hang out thread. And while mods discourage spam, we discourage hostility much more. i am pretty lenient towards what goes on here unless posts cross over into meanness. If the NESing community wants tighter rules on spam in this thread, I will oblige, but I'm not sure what the point would be except to reduce posting.
Lord of Elves
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Lord_joakim, in my short time here, I've found that a fad in NESing, be it recent or otherwise, is to say the most caustic, direct and curt statement you can whenever possible. It is a rather interesting, if I may believe undesirable, trait of the current reality.
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