While We Wait: Part 2

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Ah, but as I laid out in my initial argument, the tone of my efforts has no bearing on the willingness of others to contemplate their content; if no net difference is achieved from additional input of effort, then any additional effort input is automatically wasted. I could make all of this nice and sweet and understanding and it wouldn't do a damn thing to make people take it more seriously or genuinely internalize it--it would just take more time. I say work smarter, not harder, unless intelligence fails you.


Faster rate of change. Genuine widespread desire for change. That 80% you spoke of to get off their collective asses help the 20% wanting to affect change. Maybe a puppy. I could ask for a lot more, personally.

But the 80/20 rule will generally overide any efforts to change the balance. 20% will do the work and 80% will enjoy the fruits of those labors. Working smarter is a good idea, but be more concerned with your effort than the outcome. You may invoke change that you cannot see and may never know about. If the effort is true and the work good, the rest will take care of itself. Even if, as you say, the tone of your posts has no effect on others' responses, the tone will have other impacts you might not notice. Pleasantness does have value. :)
 
Obscenity with a purpose works.

Obscenity for the purpose of obscenity doesnt.

Most teens would go "oh s. .. .. .. ." not "blast it" or "oh no!"

Most adults would also be along the line of that. However, swearing without purpose is not so good in a story.
 
I thought your story might have been a bit on the obscene side, but these are stereotypical high-school students, not Emperors of any sort of importance.

For reference, I was referring to stories in general, not Swiss' specific one. Whichever one you're talking about, that is.
 
Symphony, I can say from experience, having blown my top many times on these forums, that it takes much less effort to be kind than not.
In real life, I would agree, or at least that it takes little effort to give the customary faux-niceties society expects. However, I know something of myself, and for me, when I am around friends and acquaintances, I am sarcastic, I engage in biting humor, I can be vaguely condescending. They tend to reciprocate in good humor. The better I know a person, the less polite I am with them, because they become used to who I am, and they either get used to it, or they never get to know me.

After over two years of knowing most of you, you have reached that point, and I generally figure you'd be used to it by now after having seen previous tirades and the comments I leave in threads I have no real justification for being in.

Now, I could dress my opinions in a thin veil of pleasantry. As Birdjaguar suggests, a smile will take you far. As Al Capone added, a smile and a gun will take you farther, but that's tangential. I figure we'll all grown up enough here to do some basic intuitive manipulation. If I was genuinely condescending--that is, if I didn't care what any of you thought--I wouldn't be continually asking for challengers or critical thinking, because whatever you came up with wouldn't matter to me anyway. If I genuinely hated you, I simply wouldn't be here. What you are left with is that there must be some emotion, but it's probably more along the lines of tinges of remorse for lost possibilities, regret at seeing a lack of performance to capabilities, resentment of both, and other things along those lines.

Believe it or not, I do care what you all think. I think you've seen me speak enough times to discern that if I genuinely, truly dislike you, I won't be asking you questions, I just won't have anything to do with you period. And I am going to draw--or do my damnedest to--responses out of you. Despite its lack of effect upon you lot, challenging people to give answers in a sort of Socratic method is pretty effective elsewhere in the world, and it's just what I happen to use from experience. So, to my mind, it's not worth it to dress things up in pretty little packages when I know that doesn't get results here, and I know the method I use does elsewhere. It's good practice if nothing else, and I think you can take it without breaking down. If it should alienate some people and they might not like me as a result (the only real unforeseen effect; unless you believe those commercials where a woman keeping a pizza guy from walking out into the street somehow does inspire people to do good in a big, long, time-violating linear chain)... well, I suppose they wouldn't anyway, so it's no real big loss for me.

The ideas remain the ideas. Statistics may show that 97% of reaction is how something is said rather than what's said, but I don't think it's possible to call people lazy and unmotivated in a nice way, personally, so I'm not seeing the dichotomy here.
 
I meant in generally, not my story in particular though. I was just prompted by the fact that every was like "oh noes."

I personally think you can't really portray a current teenager accurately without a dose of swearing. I don't know how it is in Vancouver, Toronto and as far north as you can get on the hand(NK;) ) but down here and up in Boston too, it seems that vulgarity has become the rule almost when having casual discourse, and thoughts on Sex are put more in that "keep it in your head and no where else" category.

Just my opinion.
 
We don't swear like pirates down here. We use words such as "damn" and "hell" a lot and the occasional "sh*t" but we're pretty clean down here. Maybe I just hang out with the good crowd. =P
 
We don't swear like pirates down here. We use words such as "damn" and "hell" a lot and the occasional "sh*t" but we're pretty clean down here. Maybe I just hang out with the good crowd. =P

Indeed, I've never sworn out loud at all! Such unsophisticated and crude people are those who swear all the times, the more sophisticated can express their emotions through large words ;)
 
Well, it annoys me whenever I look at my profile. But seriously, it was a Malaysian discount shoe salesman starting a thread on our subforum, and I'd had a really bad day.
 
I've been proudly teetering at the edge of 6 infractions for a while now.
 
I got a permanent mark on my record once for swearing at a spambot.

My record has two reversed 1p infractions and one yellow 0p infraction which a mod used to alert me to an overlong sig. I seem to have moderation resistance. :p
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the While We Wait space created for the chit-chat that arrives while waiting?

Yeah, it was. Here's some idle chit-chat.

silver, please fix your website. It uses bad code which does not display correctly.
 

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Indeed, I've never sworn out loud at all! Such unsophisticated and crude people are those who swear all the times, the more sophisticated can express their emotions through large words ;)

Cant I do both? I mean in my language we could probably make a dictionary of only swear words but I still enjoy using large angry words to confuse women and people of inferior vocabulary.
 
Faster rate of change. Genuine widespread desire for change. That 80% you spoke of to get off their collective asses help the 20% wanting to affect change. Maybe a puppy. I could ask for a lot more, personally.

Why change at all? Haven't we changed enough.

Indeed, I've never sworn out loud at all! Such unsophisticated and crude people are those who swear all the times, the more sophisticated can express their emotions through large words ;)

Compared to people in my area I hardly swear at all.
 
Cant I do both? I mean in my language we could probably make a dictionary of only swear words but I still enjoy using large angry words to confuse women and people of inferior vocabulary.

Women confused by big words....:mischief:
 
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